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Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV
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JayUtah
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Vixen can claim she drives whatever she wants. It's clear she won't be telling us, and it's likely that whatever she tells us will be only a self-serving approximation to the truth. It's also likely that any further attempt to get her to substantiate her argument will result in little more than an ongoing grievance tantrum.
The vehicle that started the Luton fire was not "any sort of hybrid," nor is it the vehicle Vixen drives. The initial evidence is the declaration of its owner when specifically asked. The notion that the owner would be unaware of the hybrid drive train on a Range Rover is absurd on its face and not cured by whatever Vixen drives. The dispositive evidence is the inspection of the car by expert fire service investigators, providing confirmation of the owner's declaration. Again, none of this is affected by Vixen's car—mythical or otherwise.
There is no legitimate reason to keep raising the issue of a stealth hybrid or random lithium ion batteries stashed somewhere in the vehicle. Vixen is doing so simply to continue her obsession over what she insists are unanswered anomalies. But this has no purpose beyond validating her pretense to expertise. No one is obliged to grant her begged questions that the smoke and flames somehow still indicate a lithium ion battery fire.
The vehicle that started the Luton fire was not "any sort of hybrid," nor is it the vehicle Vixen drives. The initial evidence is the declaration of its owner when specifically asked. The notion that the owner would be unaware of the hybrid drive train on a Range Rover is absurd on its face and not cured by whatever Vixen drives. The dispositive evidence is the inspection of the car by expert fire service investigators, providing confirmation of the owner's declaration. Again, none of this is affected by Vixen's car—mythical or otherwise.
There is no legitimate reason to keep raising the issue of a stealth hybrid or random lithium ion batteries stashed somewhere in the vehicle. Vixen is doing so simply to continue her obsession over what she insists are unanswered anomalies. But this has no purpose beyond validating her pretense to expertise. No one is obliged to grant her begged questions that the smoke and flames somehow still indicate a lithium ion battery fire.
P.J. Denyer
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Everybody knows the bird is the word
Vixen
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If this is an inherent problem for this brand, why did Beds F&R Service not reveal the car ID sooner? Or Jaguar Land Rover not issue a recall?
Speaking of which, here is what the JLR Sport hybrid model has its lithium battery (non-UK version as the UK drives on the left).
I honestly think there should be a public inquiry into:
- How the fire in the vehicle reached such an intensity in so short a time
- Why lessons were not learnt from Liverpool
- Why Beds F&R Services had no idea there was a water tank available nearby in the airport instead of having to use up valuable time looking elsewhere.
The report claims the owner rang up 999 so why wasn't he there when the two Romanian ladies attempted to quell the fire. As of that stage it didn't look dangerous to them. In addition, the fire started 10 Oct 2023 yet police didn't interview the driver until 23 Oct 2023 so it does look as though he went off somewhere on a flight abroad.
The public needs to have the full information as it needs to know how and why the 1,300 cars were destroyed. As Tommy Cooper might have said, "Just like that".
JayUtah
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No.
You are not "the public." The notion that the fire propagation sequence at Luton was somehow anomalous is a question you're begging. You're doing so only to beg validation for your inaccurate, uninformed armchair analysis. You are not a forensic engineer. Your naive expectations are not the yardstick by which a public investigation should be funded and conducted.
JayUtah
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What is that you keep whining about? Spreading rumors about people and making false accusations? The hypocrisy is astounding.
JayUtah
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Irrelevant. The initial vehicle in the Luton fire was not any kind of hybrid.
Mojo
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This is just a guess, but perhaps once he'd told the 999 operator that he'd used two fire extinguishers but failed to extinguish the fire they told him to get to a place of safety and wait for the fire services.
Have you tried reading the report, in particular the section headed "fire progression" et seq?
Steve
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I think the answer is that Romanian women are so much more courageous and skilled at firefighting than British men. After all there is no other reason I can see for raising their nationality. As first hand witnesses they, rather than Bedford Fire, should probably have been engaged to write the report. Then there would be no doubts or questions about a cover up. (I wonder if Vixen is well versed in reading Romanian).
Jack by the hedge
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You have no idea how this vehicle fire compares to other vehicle fires in terms of the speed with which it took hold and the intensity with which it burned. Why should we hold a public inquiry to investigate something you haven't even established is unusual?
You've asked the Liverpool question before and the answer as before is the Luton car park was designed before the Liverpool report came out and there were no requirements, then current or applied retrospectively, which it failed to meet. Unless you know different. In which case you might have a valid cause to ask for an inquiry. Do you have anything like that?
Regarding the water available on site, there were problems, but not as you describe, and the report deals with them. Why does it need a public inquiry to repeat that work? And it might be helpful if you read the report with a bit more care before demanding public inquiries into things which did not happen.
The report says the driver located and used two fire extinguishers (and we see two extinguishers in photos) then he called 999. So by the time of his call the fire was intense enough that two extinguishers couldn't deal with it and by 5 minutes later another 3 cars were ablaze.
It doesn't mention any Romanian ladies. What did they use to try to quell the fire, and how do you know the driver was not there when they were?
You don't know when the driver was first questioned. You know a date when he was (temporarily) arrested and just assume that's the same thing.
Dabop
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Apart from Vixens posts, I have never seen mention of these 'two Romanian ladies' anywhere else...
Could this be yet another of Vixens 'misdirections' aka lies????
On a related note- does the sun rise in the east? Is water wet? Do dog bark and cats meow?
Could this be yet another of Vixens 'misdirections' aka lies????
On a related note- does the sun rise in the east? Is water wet? Do dog bark and cats meow?
JayUtah
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Indeed, the latest is just a lame attempt to resuscitate her conspiracy theory back into the semblance of life. The official report is somehow deficient because it doesn't address her conspiracy claims. Conspiracy theorists always overestimate their own relevance and the objective credibility of their claims.
MarkCorrigan
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It's like complaining the 9/11 NIST report doesn't debunk the idea the hijackers were romulans.
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Well, to be fair, it is equally possible that they were Vulcans...
Vixen
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From BBC webpage:
It was as early as 11 October 2023 they settled on the 'electrical fault in diesel engine' theme:
Evening Standard
JayUtah
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Judy Wood literally filed a lawsuit in federal court in New York alleging fraud in that the NIST investigation did not properly consider the "likely" use of directed-energy weapons in the 9/11 attacks. I can't remember if disruptors qualify as DEWs, but phasers certainly do. Naturally the suit was dismissed as pseudo-legal quackery, but still.
It's just hard to believe that there exists a segment of the population that takes all the attention-grabbing nonsense on social media so seriously that it can't seem to envision that an entire real world exists out there completely independent of the conspiracy-fantasy world.
JayUtah
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Alleging a relevant proposition is not "settling," and you provide no evidence that this statement—or any other of the kind—is the basis for the conclusions draw. This is just a sad fringe reset.
You are not important. The official report is not somehow deficient because you say it is. It is not somehow deficient because it doesn't address claims spoon-fed to your uninformed imagination by social-media attention seekers. You are not a forensic engineer. Your objections are not founded in either fact or knowledge. You do not hold the high moral ground. You are running around like a headless chicken accusing people left and right of heinous acts based on nothing more than your imagination.
Get over yourself.
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JayUtah
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Carter is welcome to his opinion and his journalism degree. The notion that diesel fuel will not ignite without pressure or sustained flame has been thoroughly debunked, and is just absurd on its face. But just like Vixen can never remember all the lies she tells—even when she's regularly reminded of them—she can't seem to remember any of the times she's been corrected on technical topics that are obviously way out of her depth.