Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

Vixen said:
But why is it worded, 'it is believed'? Wasn't one of the points of the investigation to explain exactly what happened, not what was believed to have happened by a boffin whilst the fire was still burning? Even then if it is a best educated guess, should there not be some kind of time line of how it spread despite two fire extinguishers emptied over it - and it wasn't parked next to any other car ATT - explaining why the flames and smoke looked the way they did? If they do not know then it should say so.
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Oh, what a surprise, once again you ignore the salient part of the post.

The car is clearly stated to be a diesel. Why do you still harbour doubts?
 
Vixen said:
But why is it worded, 'it is believed'? Wasn't one of the points of the investigation to explain exactly what happened, not what was believed to have happened by a boffin whilst the fire was still burning? Even then if it is a best educated guess, should there not be some kind of time line of how it spread despite two fire extinguishers emptied over it - and it wasn't parked next to any other car ATT - explaining why the flames and smoke looked the way they did? If they do not know then it should say so.
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Because it is "believed that the fire started due to an ‘electrical fault". It could just be journalistic boilerplate. Look at the report if you want more details However the type of vehicle required no investigation because it was clearly a diesel. The ANPR cameras in the car park would have been sufficient. Unless it had had a cloned numberplate, whereupon the chassis number would have given the exact details. Also if there were no remains of GBFO battery packs, but simply a conventional diesel engine compartment, that would be a bit of a clue.
 
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Vixen said:
And as pointed out the make model and year was exempt as per FOI Act because it was protected until as of being cleared fit for public domain...
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The fact it was a diesel and not any kind of EV was not protected and was stated publicly, and later clarified to remove any ambiguity.

You don't care what the make, model and year were any more than you feel we need to know that information about your car.

You just want it to have had a lithium battery so you can be right about that. But you were wrong.
 
Vixen said:
But why is it worded, 'it is believed'? Wasn't one of the points of the investigation to explain exactly what happened, not what was believed to have happened by a boffin whilst the fire was still burning? Even then if it is a best educated guess, should there not be some kind of time line of how it spread despite two fire extinguishers emptied over it - and it wasn't parked next to any other car ATT - explaining why the flames and smoke looked the way they did? If they do not know then it should say so.
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If it didn't start as an electrical fault, how does this impact your theory that it started as an electrical fault?
 
jimbob said:
Because it is "believed that the fire started due to an ‘electrical fault". It could just be journalistic boilerplate. Look at the report if you want more details However the type of vehicle required no investigation because it was clearly a diesel. The ANPR cameras in the car park would have been sufficient. Unless it had had a cloned numberplate, whereupon the chassis number would have given the exact details. Also if there were no remains of GBFO battery packs, but simply a conventional diesel engine compartment, that would be a bit of a clue.
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The only issue I was throwing out there was the point that DVLA has only recognised hybrid registration from 2014. But Toyota Prius was a mass-produced hybrid since 1997:

The first mass-produced hybrid vehicle was the Toyota Prius, launched in Japan in 1997
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So, whilst a car might be registered 2014 as 'diesel' or 'petrol' it doesn't rule out that it could still have had a lithium ion battery hybrid powertrain.
 
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Mojo said:
https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/motorist/vehicle-tax-amount


Do you pay the tax on driving power?
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Look up the definition of hybrid which is a vehicle with a hybrid electric powertrain:

"Hybrid vehicle drivetrains transmit power to the driving wheels for hybrid vehicles. A hybrid vehicle has multiple forms of motive power, and can come in many configurations. For example, a hybrid may receive its energy by burning gasoline, but switch between an electric motor and a combustion engine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vehicle_drivetrain


It doesn't have to fulfill any other obligation, such as road tax designation or automatic/manual transmission.
 
Vixen said:
The only issue I was throwing out there was the point that DVLA has only recognised hybrid registration from 2014. But Toyota Prius was a mass-produced hybrid since 1997:

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So, whilst a car might be registered 2014 as 'diesel' or 'petrol' it doesn't rule out that it could still have had a lithium ion battery hybrid powertrain.
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Utterly irrelevant, since people who actually looked at the car determined it was solely diesel powered.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
LKA?
<edit> Ah! Lane Keeping Assistance. 2nd page of Google results. Not the ladies' kennel association or the Landeskriminalamt etc.
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Commonly referred to as Lane Killer Assist, due to its propensity to try to turn you into the path of oncoming traffic, or force you to mow down a cyclist.
 
Vixen said:
As I understand it, the Liverpool Range Rover was modified with a night heater.
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Your understanding is incorrect. The Liverpool Range Rover was an LPG conversion. ("Dodgy" LPG conversion according to Dr Euan McTurk.)
 
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Mojo said:
If you have a petrol-powered vehicle, you only need to pay the basic tax. If your vehicle is powered by some other force or fuel than petrol, such as diesel or electricity, you must pay the tax on driving power in addition to the basic tax.
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https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/motorist/vehicle-tax-amount


Do you pay the tax on driving power?
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Look up the definition of hybrid which is a vehicle with a hybrid electric powertrain:

"Hybrid vehicle drivetrains transmit power to the driving wheels for hybrid vehicles. A hybrid vehicle has multiple forms of motive power, and can come in many configurations. For example, a hybrid may receive its energy by burning gasoline, but switch between an electric motor and a combustion engine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vehicle_drivetrain


It doesn't have to fulfill any other obligation, such as road tax designation or automatic/manual transmission.
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Look up the categories of vehicle that are liable for the tax on driving power here: https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/motorist/vehicle-tax-amount

You claim that you drive a hybrid that "is registered on Traficom as a 'petrol' car."

Do you pay the tax on driving power? It's a simple enough question.
 
Vixen said:
The only issue I was throwing out there was the point that DVLA has only recognised hybrid registration from 2014. But Toyota Prius was a mass-produced hybrid since 1997:

Wiki

So, whilst a car might be registered 2014 as 'diesel' or 'petrol' it doesn't rule out that it could still have had a lithium ion battery hybrid powertrain.
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Why are you quibbling about something that's entirely irrelevant to this discussion (ie the matter of how cars are classified for road tax purposes)?

The Range Rover in which this fire started was - unequivocally and definitively - a diesel ICE vehicle and not an EV of any flavour. As I said before, the fire service's forensic engineers would easily have been able to tell with certainty what the drive train of this car was (I realise you probably don't understand this fact, because you clearly don't understand the whole subject at all). And as for your ridiculous fantasy of this car somehow having been a prototype which was sold under false pretensions..... laughable and laughably bereft of any scientific/engineering understanding.
 
Vixen said:
What was wrong with the car.
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By this, do you mean "How the fire actually started"?

And if so, then:

a) why does it matter to you?

b) it is almost certainly impossible for any authority to give a reliable answer to that question, owing to the extent of the fire damage in and around the engine bay of the vehicle. All that the forensic engineers can deduce is that, given the approximate initial source of ignition (somewhat indicated by the small smoke emission captured on CCTV at the entrance barrier) coupled with the way the fire spread, it was most likely to have been a fire in an electric component or the engine compartment wiring loom.
 
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