Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

Dabop said:
Carrying a fob means you have a spare key with you already if your fob goes flat- (which rarely happens more than once or twice in half a decade), so you can still open the car and start it...
Your phone on the other hand- how many can say that they have never had a phone go flat in that time period??? (and there's no spare key tucked away in your phone....)
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As I said above, Tesla provides credit card size keys that do fit perfectly in a phone flip case or in your wallet.

I do carry it, haven't had to use it in the 5 year I've driven Teslas except for the initial setup.

I haven't had a phone go flat in as long as I can remember, nor have I run out of gas in a car or run the ev battery flat. All these have nice indicators that tell me if I need to fill them up.

Back to the thread - most hybrids I have come across depend on engine heat for the defroster, and run the AC compressor directly from the engine. So depending on the temperature the engine might start directly.

Still as have been pointed out, unless it's a mild hybrid you definitely notice when the car goes electric only.

And the mild hybrid as far as I know have very small batteries so the energy content is not much more than your regular 12v starter battery.
 
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It's a frankly astonishing oversight that that the report did not simply include the owner's manual for a 2014 Range Rover Sport HEV in an appendix, so that the reader could satisfy themselves as to whether there was any possibility that someone could own and use this car yet remain blithely unaware that it was a hybrid.

It's surely obvious that a thorough report would include detailed documentation of car models which were not the type which caused the fire but rumoured to have been by social media conspiracists. How else are we to be satisfied the car was a diesel? Simply take investigators word for it that they had investigated it? Madness!

It's terribly slapdash of them not to include full documentation of irrelevant cars and my confidence and trust are quite shaken.
 
My guess - Vixen only claims to have a hybrid in order to bolster her absurd claim that the owner of the Luton car might have bought a hybrid without knowing.
 
Maybe if Vixen actually has a hybrid vehicle she could set fire to it and gain practical first hand knowledge of what a hybrid vehicle fire actually looks like. Maybe even pop the hood and give it a good squirt from a (hydrant, extinguisher, whatever). For the science, of course.
 
Vixen said:
ISTM the Report here is more to do with what went wrong with the firefighting, rather than examining forensically the cause and spread of the fire. Compare and contrast to the Liverpool Report. It just assumes it is identical to that fire.
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Compare and contrast indeed. The Luton report states clearly that the car which started the fire was diesel-powered and not any kind of EV. The Liverpool report says the car which caught fire there was originally petrol powered but its fuel system had been modified, yet it does not explain in what way.

But it's the Luton report you regard with suspicious for some reason. (The obvious reason being an increasingly desperate need to find a way to pretend not to have been wrong.)
 
GlennB said:
My guess - Vixen only claims to have a hybrid in order to bolster her absurd claim that the owner of the Luton car might have bought a hybrid without knowing.
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The claim that the owner of a vehicle would not know that it's a hybrid is absurd on its face. The claim that the fire investigator would not be able to determine that it's a hybrid is absurd on its face. Vixen's claims to personal knowledge and expertise on the matter are irrelevant. She's just invoking increasingly magical claims to rehabilitate the notion that everyone but her is getting the wrong answer.
 
Are we back to Vixen trying to prove that you can convert a diesel to a hybrid? I did enjoy the random links she attempted to use to prop up her position like the page about registering Q reg vehicles and kit cars.
 
Must be nice living in places with good signal strength....
Where I am, a phone that will easily last a day to a day and a half or more in the city, will usually run flat by lunchtime...
We have low signal strength unless you are right in town itself, and by my place, its down to 'stand in a particular spot and DO NOT MOVE once you get a signal....

That hammers the battery life (as the phone turns the power up to full, and spends a lot more time sending 'are you there' transmissions out looking for a cell phone tower signal that is constantly dropping in and out)

Something that always catches visitors unaware- 'bring ya charge lead and plug it into the cars chargers' (multiple lol)
'Oh my phone lasts all day'
(not out here it won't lol)
By midday- 'my phones almost flat!!!!'
(told ya, bring a charge lead...)

There's lots of reasons why a phone could 'run flat' sooner than you think it will...
 
So you're saying we need diesel powered phones.

(Actually, I do remember seeing a mockup of a proposed device the size of a VHS cassette which was intended to contain a tiny butane powered gas turbine and generator. I guess either batteries got good enough or it was impossibly expensive to make, so the idea died before we got familiar with the spectacle of people setting their bags on fire while trying to charge their phone.)
 
Vixen said:
No, I do not drive a Toyota Yaris. My 2023 car starts by the usual clutch, brake and 'press ignition'. And it also likes revving, as it is a sporty little number. Note, dashboards in cars are manufacturers design and not much to do with what type of car you have. If I didn't know it was a hybrid and written large on the boot and on the receipt I doubt I would be even aware of it. Lots of cars have flash dashboards which are all fur coat and no knickers.

I haven't noticed the display telling me anything, except speed limit of the area I am in, my speed and if I breach white lines. And nanny warnings about needing oil change, low air pressure in tyres. I would have no idea it was a hybrid other than that I know it is as that is what I bought.
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What is the make and model? I'll find a picture of the dash and walk you through what the gauges are and what they tell you. Some of it you should know, especially if you want to maximize the energy efficiency.
 
Vixen said:
As my tutors used to tell me the criteria for the examiners passing one's report is the question they ask themselves, "Would I pay for this report?" and if the answer's no, it's a fail.

The Beds F&R Services report is well-written but needs polishing up re presentation and graphics.
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They won't do anything about your concerns. Almost no one will even know you don't like the report and the ones who do won't care. They won't suffer any repercussions due to your criticisms.

Also, your tutors suck.
 
Craig4 said:
What is the make and model? I'll find a picture of the dash and walk you through what the gauges are and what they tell you. Some of it you should know, especially if you want to maximize the energy efficiency.
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People who don't RTFM are one of my pet hates. There's always going to be something you need to know, even as it's as prosaic as knowing where the fuses are, I keep the owner's manual in the car, but I always have a read through so I know what's in it & roughly where. It paid off for me one time when I left the lights on in a hard top convertable and completely flattened the battery, I had jump leads but they were in the boot. The electrically operated boot. Fortunately I knew there was a manual way to open it. The classic example was the bloke who died in his Corvette because he didn't know the manual overide for the electronic dokr handles was right next to his seat. Although the person asking on Quora what the 'Demist' button was a worrying level of ignorance of basic functionality is worrying.
 
Steve said:
Not necessarily - see above. Toyota dealer sells fob batteries for about $8 and it takes less than a minute to replace and return the fob to fully functional.
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Jesus wept but that's a rip-off. CR2032s retail here at about €1.50 for a pack.
 
Except for the GR upgrades, there is no Toyota hybrid with a clutch pedal for sale (in South Yorkshire).

Which model of Toyota do you own Vixen?
 
Dabop said:
As usual- Vixen displays a stunningly oblivious fact that EVERY Toyota Hybrid (regardless of model) does indeed make it plainly obvious that it is a hybrid- by having a battery monitor gauge...

Auris hybrid
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/pdyS8yRM/auris-hybrid-dash.png[/qimg]
Camry hybrid
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/1RDjDkhX/Camry-hybrid-dash.png[/qimg]
Corolla hybrid
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/0N6tj308/Corolla-hybrid-dash.png[/qimg]
Highlander hybrid
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/sxJmbRsJ/Highlander-hybrid-dash.jpg[/qimg]
Prius hybrid dash
[qimg]http://https://i.postimg.cc/RVXGR9PS/prius-hybrid-dash.png[/qimg]
Rav4 hybrid dash
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/4xYvQc7P/Rav4-hybrid-dash.png[/qimg]

Some like the Corolla even SPECIFICALLY say so on the dash!!!!
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/MT6vdk3w/Screenshot-from-2024-10-12-22-13-52.png[/qimg]

Apparently the one off special 'Toyota Vixen' she claims she owns is 'special' (like its owner) and doesn't have the same gauge every other Toyota hybrid out there has....
:rolleyes::boggled::jaw-dropp
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I do not have a Toyota.
 
Steve said:
Maybe if Vixen actually has a hybrid vehicle she could set fire to it and gain practical first hand knowledge of what a hybrid vehicle fire actually looks like. Maybe even pop the hood and give it a good squirt from a (hydrant, extinguisher, whatever). For the science, of course.
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Well, one good thing from this thread is, I now carry a fire blanket in the passenger car door and a small hammer in case the door gets locked in
 
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Mojo said:
You have carefully avoided using the word "lying", but have repeatedly and consistently implied that they were not telling the truth.
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After the last fourteen years of government you could be forgiven in thinking the UK was now a totalitarian state with people sent to a Siberian gulag for asking questions of public servants. But as there is no law against taxpayers asking questions as to how their taxes are used in public bodies that are taxpayer-injected, I will continue to ask questions where I see fit.

If you feel so strongly that people must not make inquiries when there is an incident of this sort, I suggest you lobby your MP to pass a law to put a stop to busybodies sticking their noses in.

In the meantime it is a free country and us Brit busybodies will carry on expecting public servants to be accountable to us.
 
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