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Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

UPDATE: Checked my Powerball tickets today....



and...



...I am out $10.00. I had four numbers match, but none in the same lineup (5 lineups total). Looks like it's all up to tonight's Mega Millions to provide evidence for the existence of benevolent spirits. Update to come tomorrow.
 
MBDK said:
UPDATE: Checked my Powerball tickets today....



and...



...I am out $10.00. I had four numbers match, but none in the same lineup (5 lineups total). Looks like it's all up to tonight's Mega Millions to provide evidence for the existence of benevolent spirits. Update to come tomorrow.
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Just remember we knew you when.
 
Last night I dreamed about being on a nature ramble with Brad Pitt and telling him all sorts of good stuff; the night before I dreamed about loading a removals vans with Johnny Marr.

Are these messages that I'm about to meet someone famous?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I think it only counts if you intend to convert Messrs Pitt and Marr away from Islam.
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Aaaah, Brad Pitt and I were mostly talking about geology and differential erosion, using the Yoredale series as an example; while Johnny Marr and I were mostly talking about how to arrange boxes in the van...

But, I mean, how many folk have discussed the Yoredale series with Brad Pitt?
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Last night I dreamed about being on a nature ramble with Brad Pitt and telling him all sorts of good stuff; the night before I dreamed about loading a removals vans with Johnny Marr.

Are these messages that I'm about to meet someone famous?
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Why would you need a removal.van to load Johnny Marr, were their loads of him or was he really big? Maybe your dream was warning us to prepare for the Attack of the 50ft Johnny Marr?!?
 
FINAL UPDATE:

Alas, it with heavy heart and light wallet I must announce a perfect Mega Millions lottery ticket. Perfect in the manner that for all five rows of possible winning combinations I had on that ticket...it did not contain a single number that was picked. Basically, I was oh for thirty. So much for benevolent dream-talking spirits...at least for me...
 
Third night in a row a famous person has been in one of my dreams: bugger me, but I was in a queue in Sainsburys with Nigel Farage...

I mean, I wouldn't at all object to meeting Pitt or Marr, but Farage? Just no.

ETA I must add that famous folk do not usually make it into any of my dream worlds: this is unusual.
 
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MBDK said:
FINAL UPDATE:

Alas, it with heavy heart and light wallet I must announce a perfect Mega Millions lottery ticket. Perfect in the manner that for all five rows of possible winning combinations I had on that ticket...it did not contain a single number that was picked. Basically, I was oh for thirty. So much for benevolent dream-talking spirits...at least for me...
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Your post about dreaming numbers reminded me that my mother dreamed four winning numbers on the very first British lottery draw. She said she dreamed all six, but could not remember two of them when she woke up. Never the less she did dream four winning numbers.
 
Scorpion said:
Your post about dreaming numbers reminded me that my mother dreamed four winning numbers on the very first British lottery draw. She said she dreamed all six, but could not remember two of them when she woke up. Never the less she did dream four winning numbers.
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Did she tell you this before or after the drawing?
 
Scorpion said:
Your post about dreaming numbers reminded me that my mother dreamed four winning numbers on the very first British lottery draw. She said she dreamed all six, but could not remember two of them when she woke up. Never the less she did dream four winning numbers.
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That could be true, and I have no doubt she sincerely believed that, but our memory is extraordinarily malleable and essentially changes every time we recall a memory, so I suspect it's probably a false memory. They usually are.
 
Scorpion said:
She told me after the draw. She did not know she would actually win until then.
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OK, let's assume for the sake of argument that her memory of the dream was completely accurate - a very generous assumption.

She knew she'd had a dream about the lottery numbers. She only told you about it after (and because) it came true.

Please stop and think about that.

How many other dreams did she have in her life that seemed to predict something, but which she never bothered to tell you about because they didn't come true?

We remember the hits, forget the misses, and vastly underestimate the likelihood of coincidences occurring. Cognitive biases, remember? Once again: this is why the scientific method (a) had to be invented and (b) is the only truly reliable source of knowledge and understanding about how the world works.

In order for anyone to determine whether their dreams are truly prophetic it would be necessary for them to keep a record of every single dream they have, identify any apparent prophecies, and then record if (and to what extent) they proved accurate. They would then have a record of the misses as well as the hits, and would able to estimate whether the number of hits is greater than would be expected purely by chance.

Please make some effort to understand why that is this time. We're not finding your arguments and evidence unconvincing out of ignorance, prejudice or malice. We're finding them unconvincing because, by any objective measure, they are unconvincing.
 
Scorpion said:
Your post about dreaming numbers reminded me that my mother dreamed four winning numbers on the very first British lottery draw. She said she dreamed all six, but could not remember two of them when she woke up. Never the less she did dream four winning numbers.
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turingtest said:
Did she tell you this before or after the drawing?
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Scorpion said:
She told me after the draw. She did not know she would actually win until then.
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Ok. Do you understand why I asked, and what this means for the nature of the evidence? If she had told you the numbers she dreamed before they were drawn, then it would be your first-hand evidence for your claim that "she did dream four winning numbers," and we could question that for accuracy, timing, etc. But as it is, the only thing you can really know first-hand is that she claimed she dreamed the numbers. One scenario at least theoretically fortifies her claim by making you a witness to it before the salient event; the other is just you passing it on after.

Please understand that this is not to cast aspersions on your mother's honesty- it's purely a matter of primary vs hearsay evidence. There are plenty of people over here (that idiot Trump, for one) who claim to know that Haitians in Ohio are eating cats, but who really only know that they've been told so.
 
turingtest said:
Ok. Do you understand why I asked, and what this means for the nature of the evidence? If she had told you the numbers she dreamed before they were drawn, then it would be your first-hand evidence for your claim that "she did dream four winning numbers," and we could question that for accuracy, timing, etc. But as it is, the only thing you can really know first-hand is that she claimed she dreamed the numbers. One scenario at least theoretically fortifies her claim by making you a witness to it before the salient event; the other is just you passing it on after.

Please understand that this is not to cast aspersions on your mother's honesty- it's purely a matter of primary vs hearsay evidence. There are plenty of people over here (that idiot Trump, for one) who claim to know that Haitians in Ohio are eating cats, but who really only know that they've been told so.
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And second-hand hearsay at that. It's passed through another filter as well, namely Scorpion's memory of what his mother supposedly told him.
 
Aside from issues of reliability, isn't this dream thing a noise about nothing? It's well within the realm of possibility that someone will have a winning number, and well within the realm of possibility that someone will dream it. The likelihood of the two things together is small but hardly zero.

Of course it's very rare that you will be the one it happens to, and you'd be a fool to bet on it ahead of time, but it's likely to happen to someone at some point.

Like the amazing fit of a puddle into a pothole, as a prediction it would be amazing, but as a post-occurrence report it's not much even in the unlikely event that it's true.
 
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