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Kamala Harris Election Campaign

theprestige said:
Are we supposed to assume these folks will have a Republican or conservative influence on The Harris administration?

When was the last time Liz Cheney sponsored a bill that had majority Republican support in Congress? When was the last time she endorsed a winning Republican candidate?
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So you have gone 100 precent over to Trump. Not surprised.
 
Delvo said:
Nonsense & BS which you didn't contradict or give an alternative to. Instead, in the very next sentence after this, which is where the contrary point would be expected, you did this:

I hadn't said they are. These things are completely unconnected subjects. There's no reason at all why what I said and what you said couldn't both be true, and they both are.

Once again, this looks like another one of those knee-jerk "cult of party identity" responses. At least this one lacked the lying personal attackery that others tend to resort to, but it's still nowhere near the actual subject; it's a distraction.

Yes, a bunch of famous Republicans are against Trump. I've been pointing that out myself for years, including when other Democrats angrily denied it & claimed that saying so was somehow an attempt to help Trump too. :rolleyes: But the subject here is about winning & losing campaigns, and the fact that you just stated, while accurate, doesn't touch that subject. Trump's voters already know it and either don't care or even consider it a positive thing that even contributes to their motivation, not the opposite. And the issue wasn't even just the fact itself anyway; it was the effect of making it a big point of emphasis in the Democrat's campaign. None of the above changes the fact that "Look how Republican I can be & how much Republicans love me" is not a winning angle for Democrats.
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Yeah going hard to the left is gonna attract swing voters.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump was president for ONE year during the pandemic: 2020.
Biden was president for FOUR years: 2021-2024.
Yet almost 32% of deaths took place during one year out of 5. So your point isn't what you seem to think it is.

From your link:

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The height of the pandemic was 2021 and "Red states had higher COVID-19 infection rates and deaths in 2021 compared to blue state" which is not unrelated to the fact that "Red states implemented fewer political decisions to mitigate COVID-19 than blue states."
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i mean, obviously trump handled it poorly. it's putting lipstick on a pig
 
theprestige said:
Are we supposed to assume these folks will have a Republican or conservative influence on The Harris administration?

When was the last time Liz Cheney sponsored a bill that had majority Republican support in Congress? When was the last time she endorsed a winning Republican candidate?
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What the hell are you talking about? Liz Cheney has been one of the most conservative Republican Congressional Representatives in history.

Her support for Harris is more about supporting America than it is about anything else. She isn't an election denying bat crap insane Trump sycophant like most of the GOP these days.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
The Media STILL isn't calling for Trump for step down after running Biden out of the race by constantly running "We're not saying Biden should step down, but here's a list of 10 reasons people are saying he should step down" stories for 6 months straight.

One 3rd class Democratic Road Kill Scrapper said Biden should step down and CNN acted like they'd been waiting for somebody to bring it up and yes they drove the "Biden should step down" narrative hard.

Meanwhile Mr. Rape Face Von Launchacoup who has old school, vanguards of his party saying "This man is an existential threat to the concept of democracy, I have Satan's number on speedial and even I'm telling you DO NOT ELECT THIS MAN" isn't getting "Should he step down?" think pieces written about him every 4 seconds.
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Do you really wish Biden had stayed in the race? As far as I can see, liberals should be offering to wash the feet of any media personalities and 3rd class Democratic Road Kill Scrappers who said Biden should step down.
 
acbytesla said:
I disagree. That all these Republicans are supporting Harris is unlikely to help get Democrats to vote for Harris. That is true. But showing that so many members of their party are supporting Harris gives other Republicans permission to vote Democratic this time.
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I don't think it will though.

That said, I also disagree with Delvo... sort of. I agree that it's not going to help with Democrats and might even be a bit of a turn-off to Democrats. But strategically, it's not going to result in any Democrats voting for Trump. "Harris isn't progressive enough for me, so I'm going to vote for the polar opposite of progressive" is extraordinarily unlikely.

On the other hand... this election isn't going to be won by Democrats or Republicans. Blue will vote Blue, no matter who that Blue person is. Red will vote Red, no matter who that Red person is. It's the Purple People that are up for grabs, and on this matter, I think Delvo is missing the tactic. Having some Republicans supporting Harris could very reasonably sway Independents who tend to lean a bit conservative.
 
dudalb said:
So you have gone 100 precent over to Trump. Not surprised.
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That doesn't even remotely follow from theprestige's post.

But like you say... I'm not surprised. There's a very strong tendency by several ISF posters to assume that any critique of pro-Dem rhetoric, or challenge to anti-Rep narrative means that the poster is a far-right Trump supporter.

The fallacy of the excluded middle is strong.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't think it will though.

That said, I also disagree with Delvo... sort of. I agree that it's not going to help with Democrats and might even be a bit of a turn-off to Democrats. But strategically, it's not going to result in any Democrats voting for Trump. "Harris isn't progressive enough for me, so I'm going to vote for the polar opposite of progressive" is extraordinarily unlikely.

On the other hand... this election isn't going to be won by Democrats or Republicans. Blue will vote Blue, no matter who that Blue person is. Red will vote Red, no matter who that Red person is. It's the Purple People that are up for grabs, and on this matter, I think Delvo is missing the tactic. Having some Republicans supporting Harris could very reasonably sway Independents who tend to lean a bit conservative.
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I'm pretty sure it definitely has. People are mostly sheep. They're followers, not leaders. So when people that have been their leaders in the past point them in a different direction some are likely to follow.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That doesn't even remotely follow from theprestige's post.

But like you say... I'm not surprised. There's a very strong tendency by several ISF posters to assume that any critique of pro-Dem rhetoric, or challenge to anti-Rep narrative means that the poster is a far-right Trump supporter.

The fallacy of the excluded middle is strong.
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ROFLMAO.

I'm really not sure you understand what a fallacy is. Or understand that posters have a history. That past may not necessarily be prolog. But more often than not, it is.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump was president for ONE year during the pandemic: 2020.
Biden was president for FOUR years: 2021-2024.
Yet almost 32% of deaths took place during one year out of 5. So your point isn't what you seem to think it is.

From your link:

[qimg]https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_716696706fdfe88280.jpg[/qimg]

The height of the pandemic was 2021 and "Red states had higher COVID-19 infection rates and deaths in 2021 compared to blue state" which is not unrelated to the fact that "Red states implemented fewer political decisions to mitigate COVID-19 than blue states."
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Not to mention that The Fat Orange Turd screwed the pooch so badly with his lying, incompetent handling of the pandemic, that it was always going to take years to put it right no matter who had to clean up the mess he left behind.

As for your last sentence, there is also the fact that the proportion of anti-vaxxers and the amount of vaccine hesitancy was, and still is, much higher in Red states than Blue States.
 
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Delvo said:
Nonsense & BS which you didn't contradict or give an alternative to. Instead, in the very next sentence after this, which is where the contrary point would be expected, you did this:

I hadn't said they are. These things are completely unconnected subjects. There's no reason at all why what I said and what you said couldn't both be true, and they both are.

Once again, this looks like another one of those knee-jerk "cult of party identity" responses. At least this one lacked the lying personal attackery that others tend to resort to, but it's still nowhere near the actual subject; it's a distraction.

Yes, a bunch of famous Republicans are against Trump. I've been pointing that out myself for years, including when other Democrats angrily denied it & claimed that saying so was somehow an attempt to help Trump too. :rolleyes: But the subject here is about winning & losing campaigns, and the fact that you just stated, while accurate, doesn't touch that subject. Trump's voters already know it and either don't care or even consider it a positive thing that even contributes to their motivation, not the opposite. And the issue wasn't even just the fact itself anyway; it was the effect of making it a big point of emphasis in the Democrat's campaign. None of the above changes the fact that "Look how Republican I can be & how much Republicans love me" is not a winning angle for Democrats.
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The issue is that you are creating strawmen of the campaign, they are not doing what you claim they are in regard to (as an example) the Cheney endorsement.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Per CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Total Covid attributed deaths from 2020 through 2024 is 1,208,368
Total Covid attributed deaths during 2020 is 385,676
Covid deaths during Trump's presidency account for 31.9%

Neither Trump nor Biden had any material impact on the progress of the virus, and neither should be held accountable for when a virus showed up and decided to terrorize the human species.
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I heartily disagree. You only have to look north to Canada and its response to COVID-19. By February 1, 2021, immediately after Trump left office, the Canadian death rate from COVID was 508 per million population, while the US rate was 2½ times that at 1,306 per million. At that point in the pandemic the US had lost 452,300 people to the disease. Had the Trump administration been as effective as Canada in its response, there would have been only 175,400 deaths.

Ergo, I can confidently blame Trump's inept response during his term in office for 276,900 deaths.

After the first year of Biden's term, the excess deaths of the US compared to Canada had risen to 571,700. How much of that can be blamed directly on the mess Trump left behind can be debated. Certainly the people in Biden administration had their work cut out for them.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
not really.

Only one has a unfathomable bodycount, the result of falsifying intelligence reports to trick Americans into a pointless war.

Cheney has done a lot more damage than Trump ever could.
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Only one started an insurrection to overthrow the government and seize power.
 
Brainster said:
Really not buying into this whole end of democracy thing are you?
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2 reasons why that is not relevant for the upcoming election:

1: Institutions were not ready for Trump's willingness to transgress last time, and Obama did nothing to prepare for it; this time, institutions and civil organizations will be much more ready

2: the greatest damage Trump could do to democracy, he has already done: get anti-democracy nutjobs into the Supreme Court.

I believe that if the US can recover from Trump1, it can recover from Trump2.

Cheney was completely anti-democracy, by making up lies to the American people, telling them that there was Intelligence that never was.
As a result, at least 7,000 Americans and up to a million Iraqi and Afghani died.

I hate this rehabilitation of Bush and Cheney for expediency. it teaches war criminals that they just have to hang around until another Bad Guy shows up, they all their crimes will be forgotten.

And it's supremely naive to think that Voter appreciate Harris's outreach to Never-Trumper Republicans, She is just burning bridges on the Center and Left.
 
arguably, Cheney did do a Coup d'état by acting as if he, not Bush, was the President on a regular basis, complete with briefings and decisions.

Face it: Trump is an Amateur, Cheney is a Pro
 
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