Kamala Harris Election Campaign

[thaiboxerken]

Obviously, this version of The Purge was just a joke. He'd never do that. Just like he'd never stack the courts to strike down Roe vs Wade.

 

[plague311]

No individual's assessment of the Cheneys matters; not TGZ's, not varwoche's, not mine, not anybody's. For an election campaign, all that matters is what most people in general out there think of them overall. Associating onesself with unpopular people is a counterproductive campaign move regardless of whether some individual somewhere out there agrees with that general popular consensus about them or not. And unpopular people is exactly who she's sticking to, including not just Cheneys but also Biden. And on top of that she's talking about putting Republicans in her Cabinet, which, although it could include people who are popular with her opponents who won't vote for her anyway, is bound to be people who are unpopular with her own party's base, which is the people whose votes she can get or lose.

Obama appointed a few Republicans to his Cabinet and he's one of the most popular Dem POTUS's ever.

She literally just said in an interview with Colbert, "Obviously, I'm not Biden." That aside, I'm going to ask you seriously. What the **** do you want from her? Like, I notice you bitch about her....a lot. Nothing she does seems to be up to your standards of...whatever the **** your standards are, honestly they seem to be just contrarian to everything, but I'll digress.

You want her to get on TV and say "**** Biden, I want nothing to do with him"? Gee, I wonder if that would turn off any voters? Ya, think?

I think if a few Republicans (which there have been a bunch, you just seem to want to piss and moan about specifically the Cheney's) start telling disaffected Republican voters that it's not only ok to vote for Harris, but they're doing it too, it will help her garner votes. Not everyone is like you. We have two parties. That's it. That's all we get to vote for and obviously neither are going to perfectly fit a single person's view of perfection. That doesn't mean it's admirable to pick up your ball and pout all the way home cause people wouldn't listen to you.

 

[Orphia Nay]

No individual's assessment of the Cheneys matters; not TGZ's, not varwoche's, not mine, not anybody's. For an election campaign, all that matters is what most people in general out there think of them overall. Associating onesself with unpopular people is a counterproductive campaign move regardless of whether some individual somewhere out there agrees with that general popular consensus about them or not. And unpopular people is exactly who she's sticking to, including not just Cheneys but also Biden. And on top of that she's talking about putting Republicans in her Cabinet, which, although it could include people who are popular with her opponents who won't vote for her anyway, is bound to be people who are unpopular with her own party's base, which is the people whose votes she can get or lose.

Keep trying, keep trying, I'm sure by election time you'll have twisted yourself into such an anti-Kamala position it'll justify (but only to you, and you're who matters, right) your voting for Trump again.

 

[Stacyhs]

not really.

Only one has a unfathomable bodycount, the result of falsifying intelligence reports to trick Americans into a pointless war.

Cheney has done a lot more damage than Trump ever could.

Unverifiable claim.

Both are responsible for unnecessary deaths. Dick Cheney is a lot of things, but crazy he's not. That can't be said for Trump.

 

[plague311]

not really.

Only one has a unfathomable bodycount, the result of falsifying intelligence reports to trick Americans into a pointless war.

Cheney has done a lot more damage than Trump ever could.

Does your bodycount include Trump's failed Covid policies?

Ditto what thaiboxerken said. There's like 1.2+ million dead from COVID. Most of those at the feet of Trump. Cheney is a **** human and personally I wouldn't mind if both of them were snapped away like the Avengers.

I get your implication that Trump is stupid, not necessarily nefarious while Cheney is an evil bastard...knowingly.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Unverifiable claim.

Both are responsible for unnecessary deaths. Dick Cheney is a lot of things, but crazy he's not. That can't be said for Trump.

Cheney might have steered/help steer the ship in a bad direction, but Trump's tried (and still trying) to sink it.

 

[dirtywick]

trump is stupid but he's not rain man.

 

[Stacyhs]

Good move from Harris' campaign. They should make this a campaign ad and play it in all the areas affected by hurricanes:

Harris Names Almost 100 Republicans Who Voted Against FEMA Funding

Kamala Harris's campaign has publicly named 99 Republicans who voted against Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) funding two weeks ago.

The vote was part of a $20 billion package on September 25. The bill passed both the House and Senate, however 82 representatives and 18 senators voted against the bill, all of whom are Republicans.

The vote was part of a $20 billion package on September 25. The bill passed both the House and Senate, however 82 representatives and 18 senators voted against the bill, all of whom are Republicans. These included legislators for some of the areas most affected by Hurricane Helene, such as Florida Representative Matt Gaetz, Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, and Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee.
On October 7, the Kamala Harris campaign account on X, formerly Twitter, posted a list of the lawmakers' names and states, along with the caption, "These are the Republicans who voted against FEMA funding two weeks ago."

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Cheney might have steered/help steer the ship in a bad direction, but Trump's tried (and still trying) to sink it.

I'm reminded of that stick figure meme from a while back that showed the difference between a leader and a boss. The boss stood atop a wagon and directed his workers to pull it. The leader pulled the wagon along with his crew.

Below the two original figures, someone had added one where Dump stands in front of the wagon, blocking its path.

 

[acbytesla]

No individual's assessment of the Cheneys matters; not TGZ's, not varwoche's, not mine, not anybody's. For an election campaign, all that matters is what most people in general out there think of them overall. Associating onesself with unpopular people is a counterproductive campaign move regardless of whether some individual somewhere out there agrees with that general popular consensus about them or not. And unpopular people is exactly who she's sticking to, including not just Cheneys but also Biden. And on top of that she's talking about putting Republicans in her Cabinet, which, although it could include people who are popular with her opponents who won't vote for her anyway, is bound to be people who are unpopular with her own party's base, which is the people whose votes she can get or lose.

Total nonsense. Seriously, this is BS. The point is not even Republican icons are supporting Trump. And I don't think Biden is unpopular or someone she should distance herself from.

Trump is supported by only one past Republican Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate. He isn't supported by Bush, Cheney, Quayle, Romney, Ryan or Pence. This is staggering.

Harris OTOH is supported by every former Democratic Presidential or Vice Presidential nominee. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Obama, Biden and Carter are voting and some are campaigning for Harris.


Now whether Cheney's support helps Harris be elected is unknown.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Ditto what thaiboxerken said. There's like 1.2+ million dead from COVID. Most of those at the feet of Trump. Cheney is a **** human and personally I wouldn't mind if both of them were snapped away like the Avengers.

I get your implication that Trump is stupid, not necessarily nefarious while Cheney is an evil bastard...knowingly.

Per CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Total Covid attributed deaths from 2020 through 2024 is 1,208,368
Total Covid attributed deaths during 2020 is 385,676
Covid deaths during Trump's presidency account for 31.9%

Neither Trump nor Biden had any material impact on the progress of the virus, and neither should be held accountable for when a virus showed up and decided to terrorize the human species.

 

[dudalb]

Keep trying, keep trying, I'm sure by election time you'll have twisted yourself into such an anti-Kamala position it'll justify (but only to you, and you're who matters, right) your voting for Trump again.

Yeah, Delvo seems to be moving in a "Support Trump because the quicker we have fascism the quicker we will have the revolution" state of mind. Did not turn out very well in Germany in the 1930's.

 

[Delvo]

What the **** do you want from her?

First of all, to win.

And the fact that you pretend not to already know that after seeing my posts in which I criticize her doing things that harm her own odds of winning, in a thread where the campaign is the subject, is an example of the next bit right below.

Nothing she does seems to be up to your standards of...whatever the **** your standards are, honestly they seem to be just contrarian to everything, but I'll digress... You want her to get on TV and say "**** Biden, I want nothing to do with him"?

Personalization and strawmanning & other childish attackery against a critic of a political figure's actions & words is a classic sign of participation in what they call a "cult of personality", although a better label for it in this case would be "cult of party identity". It's what people resort to when they know they want to "defend" somebody but can't come up with anything to address the actual substance of the criticisms. Fortunately, unlike some other knee-jerk false-accusation posts here lately, this one did at least also mix in some other stuff that's worth responding to along with the lying personal attacks, instead of just sticking to only the latter...

She literally just said in an interview with Colbert, "Obviously, I'm not Biden."

That sentence by itself doesn't matter one way or the other. What does is how it gets fleshed out on the actual issues. And that's been a mixed bag, not a dazzling "The head of the party can do no wrong" masterclass in campaign effectiveness.

I think if a few Republicans start telling disaffected Republican voters that it's not only ok to vote for Harris, but they're doing it to, it will help her garner votes.

Whether it does or not, their behavior is not her choice. Her choice is how to handle the fact that they've done that. Either leaving them to speak for themselves about it, or thanking them for it in public, is fine. Repeatedly bringing them up to carry on & on about how wonderful it is, even sharing the stage with them at campaign events, is leaning into "I'll be x% Democrat and y% Republican" territory, and that's an exercise in autopodal ballistics.

That doesn't mean it's admirable to pick up your ball and pout all the way home cause people wouldn't listen to you.

A political campaign can condescend to people about they should do, or it can work with what people actually do. All else being equal, the former is how to lose and the latter is how to win.

 

[acbytesla]

Per CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Total Covid attributed deaths from 2020 through 2024 is 1,208,368
Total Covid attributed deaths during 2020 is 385,676
Covid deaths during Trump's presidency account for 31.9%

Neither Trump nor Biden had any material impact on the progress of the virus, and neither should be held accountable for when a virus showed up and decided to terrorize the human species.

More BULL. The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak,
Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents.

We simply do not know. But Donald Trump and his administration did not take disease control seriously.

 

[CarbShark]

If I had to chose between Trump and Dick Cheney, I would vote Trump.

Luckily, we can do better.

 

[Stacyhs]

Per CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Total Covid attributed deaths from 2020 through 2024 is 1,208,368
Total Covid attributed deaths during 2020 is 385,676
Covid deaths during Trump's presidency account for 31.9%

Neither Trump nor Biden had any material impact on the progress of the virus, and neither should be held accountable for when a virus showed up and decided to terrorize the human species.

Trump was president for ONE year during the pandemic: 2020.
Biden was president for FOUR years: 2021-2024.
Yet almost 32% of deaths took place during one year out of 5. So your point isn't what you seem to think it is.

From your link:



The height of the pandemic was 2021 and "Red states had higher COVID-19 infection rates and deaths in 2021 compared to blue state" which is not unrelated to the fact that "Red states implemented fewer political decisions to mitigate COVID-19 than blue states."

 

[Delvo]

Total nonsense. Seriously, this is BS.

Nonsense & BS which you didn't contradict or give an alternative to. Instead, in the very next sentence after this, which is where the contrary point would be expected, you did this:

The point is not even Republican icons are supporting Trump.

I hadn't said they are. These things are completely unconnected subjects. There's no reason at all why what I said and what you said couldn't both be true, and they both are.

Once again, this looks like another one of those knee-jerk "cult of party identity" responses. At least this one lacked the lying personal attackery that others tend to resort to, but it's still nowhere near the actual subject; it's a distraction.

Yes, a bunch of famous Republicans are against Trump. I've been pointing that out myself for years, including when other Democrats angrily denied it & claimed that saying so was somehow an attempt to help Trump too. But the subject here is about winning & losing campaigns, and the fact that you just stated, while accurate, doesn't touch that subject. Trump's voters already know it and either don't care or even consider it a positive thing that even contributes to their motivation, not the opposite. And the issue wasn't even just the fact itself anyway; it was the effect of making it a big point of emphasis in the Democrat's campaign. None of the above changes the fact that "Look how Republican I can be & how much Republicans love me" is not a winning angle for Democrats.

 

[acbytesla]

Nonsense & BS which you didn't contradict or give an alternative to. Instead, in the very next sentence after this, which is where the contrary point would be expected, you did this:

I hadn't said they are. These things are completely unconnected subjects. There's no reason at all why what I said and what you said couldn't both be true, and they both are.

Once again, this looks like another one of those knee-jerk "cult of party identity" responses. ILAt least this one lacked the lying personal attackery that others tend to resort to, but it's still nowhere near the actual subject; it's a distraction.

Yes, a bunch of famous Republicans are against Trump. I've been pointing that out myself for years, including when other Democrats angrily denied it & claimed that saying so was somehow an attempt to help Trump too. But the subject here is about winning & losing campaigns, and the fact that you just stated, while accurate, doesn't touch that subject. Trump's voters already know it and either don't care or even consider it a positive thing that even contributes to their motivation, not the opposite. And the issue wasn't even just the fact itself anyway; it was the effect of making it a big point of emphasis in the Democrat's campaign. None of the above changes the fact that "Look how Republican I can be & how much Republicans love me" is not a winning angle for Democrats.

I disagree. That all these Republicans are supporting Harris is unlikely to help get Democrats to vote for Harris. That is true. But showing that so many members of their party are supporting Harris gives other Republicans permission to vote Democratic this time.

 

[Stacyhs]

I disagree. That all these Republicans are supporting Harris is unlikely to help get Democrats to vote for Harris. That is true. But showing that so many members of their party are supporting Harris gives other Republicans permission to vote Democratic this time.

It could also well influence Independents not to vote for Trump.

 

[theprestige]

Are we supposed to assume these folks will have a Republican or conservative influence on The Harris administration?

When was the last time Liz Cheney sponsored a bill that had majority Republican support in Congress? When was the last time she endorsed a winning Republican candidate?