Kamala Harris Election Campaign

Emily's Cat said:
No police officers died during the riot. One police officer died of natural causes several hours after the riot. It's possible that the protest contributed to their stroke, but ultimately the strokes occurred eight hours after the riot had finished.
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None died during the riot but a hell of a lot were injured, including serious injuries requiring surgery, some multiple surgeries. That none died is by pure luck. Don't tell me how peaceful it was again.:mad:
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's the one man Gish Gallop. Say so much stuff that is so completely wrong that even to begin to start you basically have to start at the Carl Sagan "To make an apple pie we have to first create the universe" level.

That's why I'm not doing it. "This has already been explained, disproven, debunked a billion times, I'm not addressing your 10 paragraphs of the same lies again. The facts are no longer in honest dispute" should be the valid response.

Again people this is why LETTING PEOPLE BE THIS WRONG has negative consequences.
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You can't stop people from being wrong. It's an incurable disease with some.
 
If we could return to the Harris election campaign that would be much appreciated. I’ll have a look at either dumping all the 6th Jan stuff to AAH or merging it with the thread about 6th Jan insurrection.
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Harris should make the Trump campaign's gaslighting on whether there was a peaceful transfer of power an issue.

Hint, for the first time in American history there was not a peaceful transfer of power. Trump rejected the election results, which were upheld by numerous state and federal courts and instead sent a riotous mob to the US capitol to violently stop the counting of electoral college votes in hopes of turning the election over to a House vote where Republicans had an advantage.

When his mob failed to stop the count, he effectively lost his coup effort and fled to Florida before leaving office.

That (and abortion and COVID) should be part of every Harris campaign message.

Losing a violent attempt to disrupt the transfer of power does not make it peaceful.
 
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CarbShark said:
Harris should make the Trump campaign's gaslighting on whether there was a peaceful transfer of power an issue.

Hint, for the first time in American history there was not a peaceful transfer of power. Trump rejected the election results, which were upheld by numerous state and federal courts and instead sent a riotous mob to the US capitol to violently stop the counting of electoral college votes in hopes of turning the election over to a House vote where Republicans had an advantage.

When his mob failed to stop the count, he effectively lost his coup effort and fled to Florida before leaving office.

That (and abortion and COVID) should be part of every Harris campaign message.

Losing a violent attempt to disrupt the transfer of power does not make it peaceful.
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There have been quite a few posts on abortion from Harris' Twitter lately. Also, this about Jan 6:

"Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.

"Then he refused to accept the will of the people, sent an armed mob to the U.S. Capitol, and threatened the life of his own vice president.

"We cannot allow him a second term."

https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1842982387744956904

Also more in the Tweet's short video.
 
Trebuchet said:
Since it is Trump's position that the VP can refuse to accept electoral votes from states they don't like, the current VP should do just that!
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Again as cathartic and poetic as the "Well just use the rules the Republicans break against them, that will show them and they can't complain without being hypocrites, we'll have them trapped!" thing is there are just.... so many reasons why that is never going to happen and wouldn't work if it did.
 
Orphia Nay said:
There have been quite a few posts on abortion from Harris' Twitter lately. Also, this about Jan 6:

"Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.

"Then he refused to accept the will of the people, sent an armed mob to the U.S. Capitol, and threatened the life of his own vice president.

"We cannot allow him a second term."

https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1842982387744956904

Also more in the Tweet's short video.
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Thank you. (I stopped going to twitter some time ago)
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again as cathartic and poetic as the "Well just use the rules the Republicans break against them, that will show them and they can't complain without being hypocrites, we'll have them trapped!" thing is there are just.... so many reasons why that is never going to happen and wouldn't work if it did.
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Republicans have this magic ability to not attract net negative attention somehow, no matter what they do. But the same thing done by Democrats and you actually fear substantial backlash at the polls or public opinion.

I think the number one suspect is rightwing media and second ingrained sociocultural values. Fox still has a hold on the most popular cable shows today.
Rightwingers DOMINATE social media as well, despite young people being overall more progressive than older. Young men also may not be as progressive as most of the public thinks.
 
Kamala Harris said:
It looks like I'm still slightly more likely to win than to lose. That's just not good enough. I need to find a way really completely thoroughly tank this and make sure there's no way to even accidentally win. But what else is left that I can do? I'm already promising to unwaveringly stand by the guy who's committing genocide and starting WWIII in the region where a bunch of our gasoline comes from. I'm already having conversations with billionaire CEOs which they come out of making public statements reassuring Wall Street & corporate media that I promised to be more conservative & corporate than Biden was. Surely there's at least one more thing I can still do to campaign against myself even harder...
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Well, she's settled on her solution to that challenge: fixate on how wonderful the Cheneys are; blather every chance you get about how proud & honored you are to get their support, and even get one of them on stage at rallies! It's the perfect way to campaign against yourself & enhance your odds of losing; you get to demotivate your own base because they're sick of watching politicians like you abandon them to move closer & closer to the other party and they don't like the Cheneys, while not risking bringing any votes over from the other party because they don't like them either!
 
Venom said:
Republicans have this magic ability to not attract net negative attention somehow, no matter what they do. But the same thing done by Democrats and you actually fear substantial backlash at the polls or public opinion.

I think the number one suspect is rightwing media and second ingrained sociocultural values. Fox still has a hold on the most popular cable shows today.
Rightwingers DOMINATE social media as well, despite young people being overall more progressive than older. Young men also may not be as progressive as most of the public thinks.
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The right wing have beaten the media into submission. They absolutely do not cover right wing shenanigans in the same way. They do not ask hard questions of right wing candidates. "Liberal media" is something the media companies never want to be labeled, so they avoid angering the righties.
 
If they made a promise not to fact check whatever claims Trump makes, they'd have a better chance getting that interview.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Has anyone mentioned the 60 Minutes interview yet? Haven't dared watch yet, since so much is at stake and all. But I notice one candidate is brave enough to show, and another is hiding in his basement.
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Transcript here. I like this answer a lot:

Bill Whitaker: Do we have a--a real close ally in Prime Minister Netanyahu?

Vice President Kamala Harris: I think, with all due respect, the better question is do we have an important alliance between the American people and the Israeli people. And the answer to that question is yes.
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Less impressed with this:

Bill Whitaker: There are lots of signs that the American economy is doing very well, better than most countries, I think. But the American people don't seem to be feeling it. Groceries are 25% higher and people are blaming you and Joe Biden for that. Are they wrong?

Vice President Kamala Harris: We now have historic low unemployment in America among all groups of people. We now have an economy that is thriving by all macroeconomic measures. And, to your point, prices are still too high. And I know that, and we need to deal with it, which is why part of my plan—you mentioned groceries. Part of my plan is what we must do to bring down the price of groceries.
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Unfortunately, both Harris and Biden have been beating this "bring down prices" drum, and it's just plain unrealistic. About the best we can hope for is to bring down the rate of inflation to the historic 2-3% (which has largely been accomplished by the Fed).

Overall she did well, although there were some word salad moments:

Vice President Kamala Harris: We are not gonna stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
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Delvo said:
Well, she's settled on her solution to that challenge: fixate on how wonderful the Cheneys are; blather every chance you get about how proud & honored you are to get their support, and even get one of them on stage at rallies! It's the perfect way to campaign against yourself & enhance your odds of losing; you get to demotivate your own base because they're sick of watching politicians like you abandon them to move closer & closer to the other party and they don't like the Cheneys, while not risking bringing any votes over from the other party because they don't like them either!
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Delvo said:
Well, she's settled on her solution to that challenge: fixate on how wonderful the Cheneys are; blather every chance you get about how proud & honored you are to get their support, and even get one of them on stage at rallies! It's the perfect way to campaign against yourself & enhance your odds of losing; you get to demotivate your own base because they're sick of watching politicians like you abandon them to move closer & closer to the other party and they don't like the Cheneys, while not risking bringing any votes over from the other party because they don't like them either!
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Would you PLEASE stop announcing how you are going to be just as happy as the Trumpers are if Harris loses and are going to be just as insufferable as the Trumpers if she wins?

We heard you the first 500 times.
 
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Delvo said:
Well, she's settled on her solution to that challenge: fixate on how wonderful the Cheneys are; blather every chance you get about how proud & honored you are to get their support, and even get one of them on stage at rallies! It's the perfect way to campaign against yourself & enhance your odds of losing; you get to demotivate your own base because they're sick of watching politicians like you abandon them to move closer & closer to the other party and they don't like the Cheneys, while not risking bringing any votes over from the other party because they don't like them either!
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Cheney has taken a bold pro-democracy position in stark opposition to virtually her entire party. It would be flat-out malpractice if the Harris campaign didn't milk the endorsement.

People who are demotivated are naive, indulgent purists who are more invested in superficiality than democracy.
 
varwoche said:
Cheney has taken a bold pro-democracy position in stark opposition to virtually her entire party. It would be flat-out malpractice if the Harris campaign didn't milk the endorsement.

People who are demotivated are naive, indulgent purists who are more invested in superficiality than democracy.
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Well said.

Countries need a choice of sane and viable political parties for a healthy democracy In the US, the viable right of centre option is likely to remain the GOP, so the sooner it becomes sane, the better.
 
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