Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

Vixen said:
Sounds like you have a childish concept of how that is a lie.

Someone contradicting you or with a differing opinion does not make them a wrongdoer.
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Nice try, but it suggests that you know that you've made many false claims in this thread, and that you're attempting to qualify your definition of "lie" to include only deliberate attempts at "wrongdoing". Just because the Dunning-Kruger effect makes it possible for you to confidently proclaim things that are false, any earnestness on your part would not make those statements any less false.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
It's also worth mentioning that even if the government minister really did spend their time reading, censoring and signing off on every report produced by every branch of every agency under their purview, the current minister in charge is nolonger a MP serving at the pleasure of Rishi 'The Li-Ion King' Sunak or even a member of the same party.
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That was the point being made in the post that led to this:

Vixen said:
Mojo said:
Incidentally, if the make and model of the vehicle was being hushed up to protect Sunak's secret investments, why is it still being hushed up?
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The report has to be read by government ministers before it is approved to be released to the public. You can't know at this stage whether it is hushed up or not. The comms guys at Beds F&R Services aren't authorised to give out info off their own bats. That's not the same as 'being hushed up'.
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As usual, Vixen failed to understand the question.
 
Vixen said:
To set the record straight, a chartered accountancy qualification (=US CPA equivalent does count as postgraduate) my STEM science degree did get me an exemption from the certified level, so it was postgraduate. I am sorry if you don't like it.
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Bollocks, you're lying again, as usual.
 
If I remember correctly, 'postgradgate' did not begin with a squabble over whether or not some qualification counted as postgrad level, it was Vixen gainsaying some point on psychology by claiming to be a psychology postgraduate.

There then followed a confusing argument over whether an undergraduate degree which included study of topic A, followed by postgrad study of topic B allowed one to claim to be a "topic A postgrad". Perhaps I misremember some details but the whole thing was nuts.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
If I remember correctly, 'postgradgate' did not begin with a squabble over whether or not some qualification counted as postgrad level, it was Vixen gainsaying some point on psychology by claiming to be a psychology postgraduate.

There then followed a confusing argument over whether an undergraduate degree which included study of topic A, followed by postgrad study of topic B allowed one to claim to be a "topic A postgrad". Perhaps I misremember some details but the whole thing was nuts.
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Hmm...

I can't be bothered to go back and look, but I remembered the dispute as:

"I have a post-graduate science degree."

Being backed up with:

"I have an undergraduate, non-science degree, which means I could have started a post-graduate non-science qualification, which is totally the same as having achieved a post-graduate science qualification."

In the usual Herculean goal post shifting, this was all watered down to the claims about accountancy.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
If I remember correctly, 'postgradgate' did not begin with a squabble over whether or not some qualification counted as postgrad level, it was Vixen gainsaying some point on psychology by claiming to be a psychology postgraduate.
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Here:
Vixen said:
Please stop with the rationalizing and the pop-psychology. You are talking down to a psychology postgraduate here.
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novaphile said:
Hmm...

I can't be bothered to go back and look, but I remembered the dispute as:

"I have a post-graduate science degree."

Being backed up with:

"I have an undergraduate, non-science degree, which means I could have started a post-graduate non-science qualification, which is totally the same as having achieved a post-graduate science qualification."

In the usual Herculean goal post shifting, this was all watered down to the claims about accountancy.
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If I'd spent my whole life learning how to play chess better than everyone else in the world I could have been the chess champion. And I look a bit Slavic, don't you think?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
If I remember correctly, 'postgradgate' did not begin with a squabble over whether or not some qualification counted as postgrad level, it was Vixen gainsaying some point on psychology by claiming to be a psychology postgraduate.

There then followed a confusing argument over whether an undergraduate degree which included study of topic A, followed by postgrad study of topic B allowed one to claim to be a "topic A postgrad". Perhaps I misremember some details but the whole thing was nuts.
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"Postgraduate" implies a university awarded or otherwise university accredited, higher degree or diploma, i.e. Master's degree, Graduate Diploma or Doctorate, no a mere professional qualification.
 
catsmate said:
"Postgraduate" implies a university awarded or otherwise university accredited, higher degree or diploma, i.e. Master's degree, Graduate Diploma or Doctorate, no a mere professional qualification.
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Sure, but equivalence wasn't the original point as I recall. It was whether, say, a biology degree followed by a masters in medieval history lets you claim to be a biology postgraduate.
 
GlennB said:
I can find nothing in those to suggest that a minister needs to sign off individual reports. Perhaps you could help by posting something more specific that a link that itself links to a mass of subjects? Or were you laying down a smokescreen yet again? Hmmm, I wonder ...

Meanwhile, I noticed this, some layers into the first link:

fires accounted for 23% of the 600,324 incidents attended by FRSs
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I was pointing out that the Fire Brigade being a public body IS accountable to the relevant minister. In a major incident such as the Luton fire, of course the relevant minister gets to see the report first. Especially where recommendations are made that require an Act of Parliament or debates as to amendments in Fire & Safety regulations or building regulations.
 
Vixen said:
I was pointing out that the Fire Brigade being a public body IS accountable to the relevant minister. In a major incident such as the Luton fire, of course the relevant minister gets to see the report first. Especially where recommendations are made that require an Act of Parliament or debates as to amendments in Fire & Safety regulations or building regulations.
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Why did you support your claim with links that say nothing whatsoever about a minister examining the report? They were just a smokescreen for yet another of your 'because I say so' waffles, weren't they?
 
SpitfireIX said:
As I mentioned when we were discussing Anders Björkman in the Estonia threads, every profession has its share of quacks, charlatans, and crackpots, despite the best efforts of professional schools, professional licensing agencies, and professional associations to weed them out. So you can't just use,"But I'm a Chartered Accountant" as a sort of Get Out of Jail Free Card to avoid criticism when you write things that are clearly erroneous.

Further, it absolutely is my place to tell you when you are repeatedly and egregiously wrong about accounting. Although I no longer formally practice (I occasionally give free tax and business advice to friends and relatives), I still consider myself bound by accounting professional ethics. As you presumably know, that includes an obligation to call out others who are causing public misunderstanding of or bringing discredit upon the accounting profession.




What Jay said.
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Er, wait a minute. I was giving a straight answer to a straight question. I have never claimed that what I do at work has anything whatsoever to do with a chat forum.

Having worked side by side with Trust Fund specialists at a top 50 firm of accountants in the City, and attending their seminars for CPD, it is laughable to claim I have zero idea of how a 'blind' trust management works or why people choose to register their companies in the Cayman Islands. Heck, I was part of a team that recouped hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayer funds from such a place. Nothing to do with this thread but the claim I have no idea what Sunak's Cayman Island firm is all about is hilarious. I know exactly what it is about and why he has claimed it was under 'blind management' in the register of MP interests. It doesn't mean he has given up his share in the partnership agreement as he would like people to believe so that he doesn't have to declare his gains and conflicts of interests (such as the Moderna vaccine).

It is perfectly OK to raise the question of what is in it for him to protect the Tata Range Rover brand, if that was indeed the vehicle involved (and from photos, it would seem to be the case!).
 
Foster Zygote said:
I don't have much time right now, but from memory:

•Diesel fuel requires high pressure to make ignition possible.

•Li-ion batteries burn with a ridiculous energy output that far exceeds the energy content of a tank of diesel fuel.

•Welding steel doesn't involve melting it.

•The lights being on precludes the possibility of an electrical fault in an automobile.

•A diesel fire couldn't have spread as quickly or as intensely as the vehicle involved.

•You claimed that from "Hour Zero" it was asserted that the vehicle in which the fire started was a diesel.

•You could determine which way the floor was sloping in those images from the garage.

•You have evidence that the images were "deep fakes".

•Car salesmen and garage employees are qualified to give testimony regarding differences between ICE and electric vehicle fires.

•The Fire Service was on scene and attempting to extinguish the fire within a few minutes of it being reported.

•ICE fires are extremely rare.

•You, personally, can identify the cause of a fire by the color of the smoke/flames, even when you have no references to correct for variations caused by artifacts of recording/playback hardware, or software compression.


Again, that's just from memory. This whole extended thread is filled with falsehoods that you've employed in the attempt to present yourself as having uncovered something that only a terribly clever person could have ascertained. A comprehensive list would require considerable time to compile.
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A difference of opinion is hardly 'lies'. Let's not use childish language.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
If I remember correctly, 'postgradgate' did not begin with a squabble over whether or not some qualification counted as postgrad level, it was Vixen gainsaying some point on psychology by claiming to be a psychology postgraduate.

There then followed a confusing argument over whether an undergraduate degree which included study of topic A, followed by postgrad study of topic B allowed one to claim to be a "topic A postgrad". Perhaps I misremember some details but the whole thing was nuts.
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This has been explained before. In a different thread the poster was lecturing me on how eye witness memories were faulty. I simply commented in vernacular chat that he was talking down to a psychology postgrad who did one's dissertation on memory. It was later clarified that the postgrad qualification itself was not in psychology. End of. My ex has a double physics and philosophy degree and went on to do masters in all sorts of fancy titles. Are you seriously saying he was not a postgraduate when he did these or his phds in something called something else again?
 
novaphile said:
Hmm...

I can't be bothered to go back and look, but I remembered the dispute as:

"I have a post-graduate science degree."

Being backed up with:

"I have an undergraduate, non-science degree, which means I could have started a post-graduate non-science qualification, which is totally the same as having achieved a post-graduate science qualification."

In the usual Herculean goal post shifting, this was all watered down to the claims about accountancy.
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Please stop spreading lies about me. In one post you claimed I was a fat old man living in a basement on the verge of suicide over his sad old life, plus several misogynistic characterisations in which you claimed only men were allowed to critique females. You also claimed I was really a data-entry clerk.

For the record I have an science honours degree (honours: means I was in a laboratory. I was obliged to produce fifteen laboratory reports, designed and carried out by me and analysed as to statistical significance levels. This is exactly what scientists do. Plus a lengthy dissertation throughout the final year.

Please stop with your deliberately untrue statements.
 
catsmate said:
"Postgraduate" implies a university awarded or otherwise university accredited, higher degree or diploma, i.e. Master's degree, Graduate Diploma or Doctorate, no a mere professional qualification.
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Er, I do also have two diplomas uni-accredited (London) in Women's Post-Colonial literature and also another in Gender Studies re Women's Literature.


I couldn't care less if you don't regard me as postgraduate, you are free to think what you like, that was merely a quibble by another poster.

What I do object to is people circulating posts falsely accusing me of wrongdoing.
 
GlennB said:
Why did you support your claim with links that say nothing whatsoever about a minister examining the report? They were just a smokescreen for yet another of your 'because I say so' waffles, weren't they?
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The links were to demonstrate what auspices the Fire & Rescue Services come under. Some seem not to recognise they are a public body.
 
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