Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

[JayUtah]

They report to the relevant government minister. I did provide an organisation chart at some point showing the structure.

That is not evidence that government ministers must "sign off" on technical or investigative reports produced by the agencies those ministers supervise. Nor is it evidence that ministers "hush up" elements in those reports that they allegedly do not want made public. These are claims you have made and for which you have supplied no evidence. Showing that a ministry exists and is overseen by a minister is not sufficient.

 

[SpitfireIX]

To set the record straight, a chartered accountancy qualification (=US CPA equivalent does count as postgraduate) my STEM science degree did get me an exemption from it, so it was postgraduate. I am sorry if you don't like it.

No. A CPA credential does not count as any sort of postgraduate degree. Further, as I have explained, and you have apparently ignored, CPA licensure requirements vary considerably from state to state. Although all states do now require 150 hours of college credit, none of the ones I checked (about a third) require any graduate credits in accounting or business, or a Master's degree in accounting, or even any sort of Master's degree. Some states do, however, count classes in graduate accounting and business more than they count undergraduate classes.

You are welcome to disagree with my opinions but I object to you spreading lies about my professional qualifications.

As I and others have repeatedly mentioned, you have made a number of pronouncements (including the one hilited above) that have caused those of us with experience in and knowledge of accounting to properly question your competency and qualifications. That is not "spreading lies."

 

[JayUtah]

If you wish to convince yourself I don't know the meaning of the word 'classified', that is your prerogative.

You seem to rely a lot on these one-sentence dismissals of posts in which I thoroughly lay out my objections to your claims. I conclude you have no suitable answer.

You are trying to gaslight your critics as to what happened and lay some blame at their feet for not recognizing your "obvious" sarcasm. You misused the word "classified." You were challenged and refuted, and you predictably concocted a fantasy narrative to save face.

To the point, you continue to insinuate that there is some nefarious reason for not disclosing the make, model, and year of the initial vehicle in the Luton fire. You have provided no reason beyond "curiosity" for why you think this information is vital to disclose to the public. You have failed to address the actual reason you were given for not disclosing it. We can only conclude that you are disinterested in fact and are continuing this conspiratorial line in order to make it seem like you have some special insight.

 

[Vixen]

No. A CPA credential does not count as any sort of postgraduate degree. Further, as I have explained, and you have apparently ignored, CPA licensure requirements vary considerably from state to state. Although all states do now require 150 hours of college credit, none of the ones I checked (about a third) require any graduate credits in accounting or business, or a Master's degree in accounting, or even any sort of Master's degree. Some states do, however, count classes in graduate accounting and business more than they count undergraduate classes.




As I and others have repeatedly mentioned, you have made a number of pronouncements (including the one hilited above) that have caused those of us with experience in and knowledge of accounting to properly question your competency and qualifications. That is not "spreading lies."

My professional bodies have deemed me as being proficient so I don't think it is your place to say I am incompetent in my trade. In addition, as per UK.gov pages, a chartered accountancy qualification counts as 'Level 7: Masters' so yes, postgraduate level.

 

[JayUtah]

To set the record straight, a chartered accountancy qualification (=US CPA equivalent does count as postgraduate)

No. A CPA certificate does not equate to a postgraduate degree in the United States.

I am sorry if you don't like it.

What we don't like is your constant equivocation on matters that purport to establish your authority and credibility.

I personally think it is immoral to knowingly spread lies about other people.

Does that include spreading baseless conspiracy theories that call into question others' actions, motives, and morals?

So please stop doing it. Fun for you. Not for me.

You clearly enjoy spreading conspiracy theories. If you don't enjoy being fact-checked about them, spread them elsewhere.

You are welcome to disagree with my opinions but I object to you spreading untrue claims about my professional qualifications. Please stop claiming making false claims about me.

If you would stop equivocating and embellishing your academic and professional qualifications, you would not be so vigorously fact-checked about them. You're clearly trying very hard to appear smarter and more qualified than you actually are. Then you use those appearances to belittle your critics, suggesting you are somehow blessed with more knowledge and insight than they. If you do not wish that line of reasoning challenged accordingly, come up with better reasons.

Consider how you would like it if someone persistently spread unpleasant stories about you.

You have spread unpleasant and untrue stories about me, without a shred of remorse. You do not hold the high moral ground here.

 

[JayUtah]

My professional bodies have deemed me as being proficient so I don't think it is your place to say I am incompetent in my trade.

You completely failed in the discussion of trusts, one of the most common financial management structures that exists. You completely failed in the discussion of corporate governance, one of the principal activities of accountants.

I don't accept you as an expert in accountancy.

 

[Vixen]

You completely failed in the discussion of trusts, one of the most common financial management structures that exists. You completely failed in the discussion of corporate governance, one of the principal activities of accountants.

Rubbish!

I don't accept you as an expert in accountancy.

I haven't ask you to.

 

[JayUtah]

I will review the Carol Vorderman claim...

No, you won't.

The matter has been discussed at length several times. Each time, you vigorously avoided discussing it. This time is apparently no different. You're just kicking the can down the road again. Rest assured, every time you ask for evidence of your lies, I will bring up Carol Vorderman and hold you accountable for it until you either admit the lie and apologize, or continue to demonstrate an amoral countenance for it as you are doing now.

...but as I recall my impression was your making a joke about the value of her engineering degree.

No.

Your "impression" is irrelevant. You accused me of doing a specific thing that I absolutely did not do—and which, had I done, would have subjected me to professional discipline. Your claim was unequivocally factually incorrect, and you have never taken responsibility for it. Your ongoing avoidance of it is ample evidence of your guilt.

Further, you offered to apologize only if I would grant you a rhetorical concession over something you imagined. If the only way you will apologize for a malicious lie is if you get something you want in return, then any such apology would be insincere and you remain unrepentant and immoral. As such you are in no position to try to hold others accountable for their investigative efforts on behalf of the community.

So let me come back to you.

Fat chance—you're hoping you can stall and maybe it will blow over.

You lie. You lie without remorse. You lie intentionally. You lie habitually. This has been proven in spades. And because of that, the claims you make on your own authority must be rejected.

 

[JayUtah]

Rubbish!

You do realize we can all read the thread?

I haven't ask you to.

You just got done telling people to respect your claims to professional competence. And the insinuation to expertise was implied in your argument purporting that Rishi Sunak's interests in electric vehicles were being guarded in a way you were competent to detect. The premise, "Believe me, I know what I'm talking about," precedes most of your arguments even when you chose not to make it explicit. So yes, you are asking people to respect your insinuations to expertise.

 

[JayUtah]

...a chartered accountancy qualification counts as 'Level 7: Masters' so yes, postgraduate level.

Asked and answered. The chart you cited was an equivalency for the purpose of employment qualification, not for academic certification.

 

[catsmate]

Just peruse UK.gov pages, such as:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-and-rescue-assessment-2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-statistics-monitor

Do you really think the Luton Report will be released to the public domain without the relevant minister signing off on it first?

 

[GlennB]

Just peruse UK.gov pages, such as:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-and-rescue-assessment-2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-statistics-monitor

Do you really think the Luton Report will be released to the public domain without the relevant minister signing off on it first?

I can find nothing in those to suggest that a minister needs to sign off individual reports. Perhaps you could help by posting something more specific that a link that itself links to a mass of subjects? Or were you laying down a smokescreen yet again? Hmmm, I wonder ...

Meanwhile, I noticed this, some layers into the first link:

fires accounted for 23% of the 600,324 incidents attended by FRSs

 

[Andy_Ross]

Just peruse UK.gov pages, such as:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-and-rescue-assessment-2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-statistics-monitor

Do you really think the Luton Report will be released to the public domain without the relevant minister signing off on it first?

Where does it say a minister has to sign it off?

What would signing it off entail?

 

[Steve]

Just peruse UK.gov pages, such as:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-and-rescue-assessment-2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-statistics-monitor

Do you really think the Luton Report will be released to the public domain without the relevant minister signing off on it first?

Given that both of those links are to statistics reports and not to technical investigation reports I see no reason to think that a minister would be required to sign off the Luton report.

Also - Do you have evidence that a minister signed off on the reports you linked here?

 

[Craig4]

Just peruse UK.gov pages, such as:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-and-rescue-assessment-2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-statistics-monitor

Do you really think the Luton Report will be released to the public domain without the relevant minister signing off on it first?

Why would you think an officer of the government at the minister level would need to sign such a report? It's one fire in one community.

Having watched a great deal of the Post Office Inquiry, I'm confident that your government ministers do not maintain anywhere near the level of oversight that would require their sign off on such a routine matter. The Post Office sent nearly 1000 people to jail, ruined them financially or both without a minister engaging. Are we to now believe that a minister would have to sign off on the report from a single fire investigation?

 

[Mojo]

Why would you think an officer of the government at the minister level would need to sign such a report?

Because it's necessary for Vixen's conspiracy theory.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Why would you think an officer of the government at the minister level would need to sign such a report? It's one fire in one community.

Having watched a great deal of the Post Office Inquiry, I'm confident that your government ministers do not maintain anywhere near the level of oversight that would require their sign off on such a routine matter. The Post Office sent nearly 1000 people to jail, ruined them financially or both without a minister engaging. Are we to now believe that a minister would have to sign off on the report from a single fire investigation?

It's also worth mentioning that even if the government minister really did spend their time reading, censoring and signing off on every report produced by every branch of every agency under their purview, the current minister in charge is nolonger a MP serving at the pleasure of Rishi 'The Li-Ion King' Sunak or even a member of the same party.

 

[Steve]

It's also worth mentioning that even if the government minister really did spend their time reading, censoring and signing off on every report produced by every branch of every agency under their purview, the current minister in charge is nolonger a MP serving at the pleasure of Rishi 'The Li-Ion King' Sunak or even a member of the same party.

I sense a disturbance in the conspiracy theory.

 

[SpitfireIX]

My professional bodies have deemed me as being proficient so I don't think it is your place to say I am incompetent in my trade.

As I mentioned when we were discussing Anders Björkman in the Estonia threads, every profession has its share of quacks, charlatans, and crackpots, despite the best efforts of professional schools, professional licensing agencies, and professional associations to weed them out. So you can't just use,"But I'm a Chartered Accountant" as a sort of Get Out of Jail Free Card to avoid criticism when you write things that are clearly erroneous.

Further, it absolutely is my place to tell you when you are repeatedly and egregiously wrong about accounting. Although I no longer formally practice (I occasionally give free tax and business advice to friends and relatives), I still consider myself bound by accounting professional ethics. As you presumably know, that includes an obligation to call out others who are causing public misunderstanding of or bringing discredit upon the accounting profession.

In addition, as per UK.gov pages, a chartered accountancy qualification counts as 'Level 7: Masters' so yes, postgraduate level.

What Jay said.

 

[Foster Zygote]

What lies?

I don't have much time right now, but from memory:

•Diesel fuel requires high pressure to make ignition possible.

•Li-ion batteries burn with a ridiculous energy output that far exceeds the energy content of a tank of diesel fuel.

•Welding steel doesn't involve melting it.

•The lights being on precludes the possibility of an electrical fault in an automobile.

•A diesel fire couldn't have spread as quickly or as intensely as the vehicle involved.

•You claimed that from "Hour Zero" it was asserted that the vehicle in which the fire started was a diesel.

•You could determine which way the floor was sloping in those images from the garage.

•You have evidence that the images were "deep fakes".

•Car salesmen and garage employees are qualified to give testimony regarding differences between ICE and electric vehicle fires.

•The Fire Service was on scene and attempting to extinguish the fire within a few minutes of it being reported.

•ICE fires are extremely rare.

•You, personally, can identify the cause of a fire by the color of the smoke/flames, even when you have no references to correct for variations caused by artifacts of recording/playback hardware, or software compression.


Again, that's just from memory. This whole extended thread is filled with falsehoods that you've employed in the attempt to present yourself as having uncovered something that only a terribly clever person could have ascertained. A comprehensive list would require considerable time to compile.