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Another School Shooting

If on average slightly more than once a day a Muslim suicide bomber with a vest filled with explosives and ball bearings killed the exact same number of people with the exact same demographics at the exact same locations, i.e. just take every mass shooting and replaced it with a terrorist attack Republicans would have already taken away every right we have to stop it.
 
JoeMorgue said:
If on average slightly more than once a day a Muslim suicide bomber with a vest filled with explosives and ball bearings killed the exact same number of people with the exact same demographics at the exact same locations, i.e. just take every mass shooting and replaced it with a terrorist attack Republicans would have already taken away every right we have to stop it.
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At this point, al-Qaeda, ISIS, or some other terrorist organization could launch a couple dozen simultaneous attacks across the country with sleeper agents using legally purchased weapons and no meaningful laws would be passed. The death toll could be on par with 9/11 and all we would get are lots of thoughts and prayers.
 
a_unique_person said:
The greatest country on the planet can't solve a problem. That's what this is really about. Why is it so dysfunctional?
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As I said, the U.S. constitution guarantees that a citizen has a right to keep and bear arms. That makes it next to impossible (at least under the current Supreme Court) to pass gun control laws that would pass constitutional muster, and it is next to impossible to amend the Constitution.

Everybody is quick to say how easy it should be to fix the gun violence problem in America, but when pressed, nobody can ever think of a viable solution.
 
jt512 said:
As I said, the U.S. constitution guarantees that a citizen has a right to keep and bear arms. That makes it next to impossible (at least under the current Supreme Court) to pass gun control laws that would pass constitutional muster, and it is next to impossible to amend the Constitution.

Everybody is quick to say how easy it should be to fix the gun violence problem in America, but when pressed, nobody can ever think of a viable solution.
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Both keep and bear can be subject to interpretation. Even arms; after all, the amendment doesn't specify firearms.
 
jt512 said:
As I said, the U.S. constitution guarantees that a citizen has a right to keep and bear arms. That makes it next to impossible (at least under the current Supreme Court) to pass gun control laws that would pass constitutional muster, and it is next to impossible to amend the Constitution.



Everybody is quick to say how easy it should be to fix the gun violence problem in America, but when pressed, nobody can ever think of a viable solution.
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The constitution can be changed. People just have to want to change it.
 
jt512 said:
Everybody is quick to say how easy it should be to fix the gun violence problem in America, but when pressed, nobody can ever think of a viable solution.
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Putting more repeat offenders behind bars would be the solution. Denying bail to anyone who uses a gun in crime would be a solution. But that would be mean to criminals. So can't to it.
 
a_unique_person said:
The constitution can be changed. People just have to want to change it.
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Not enough people want to change the Constitution to change it. Were you offering a solution to that. Or are you agreeing with me that the problem is intractable?
 
Trausti said:
Putting more repeat offenders behind bars would be the solution. Denying bail to anyone who uses a gun in crime would be a solution. But that would be mean to criminals. So can't to it.
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Again, none of that would have avoided this school shooting (and possibly not any of the prior ones).
 
jt512 said:
Again, none of that would have avoided this school shooting (and possibly not any of the prior ones).
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But far more people are killed by repeat criminal offenders in lax jurisdictions than in rampage school shootings. By a lot. The focus on rampage school schootings is quite misguided.
 
Trausti said:
But far more people are killed by repeat criminal offenders in lax jurisdictions than in rampage school shootings. By a lot. The focus on rampage school schootings is quite misguided.
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Maybe, but it is the topic of this thread.
 
Grandfather of shooter thinks son-in-law should face the death penalty

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ool-shooting-grandfather-father-b2609199.html

‘Evil’ father of Georgia school shooting suspect should get death penalty says teenager’s granddad


"Spending 11 years with that son of a b**** screaming and hollering every day — it can affect anybody,” he told the New York Post. "He's evil."

“Colt has to pay for what he did, but I’m telling you, he was driven, no question in my mind,” Polhamus told the outlet. “He was driven by his father to do what he did. That’s as plain as I can put it, and I know I’m right."

Polhamus insists his grandson was a "good kid" before he spent his formative years with a "dysfunctional dad who was a screamer and a hollerer."​
 
Thermal said:
Not in the states. Our NFA jazz strictly prohibits rifles with barrels under 16", and the off-the-shelf carbine length is 18". Even with a folding stock, an AR would still be close to 24", I think.
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After some checking with a tape measure, and assuming 24" is still about 61cm, I'm pretty sure I've had shoulder bags larger than that. There are also 60 cm or so tall backpacks, and you probably don't even need one that tall if you're putting it in diagonally.

Mind you, I've never seen that backpack, so I don't know if that applies to him. But if I were trying to find a backpack that can fit that, I bet I could.
 
HansMustermann said:
After some checking with a tape measure, and assuming 24" is still about 61cm, I'm pretty sure I've had shoulder bags larger than that. There are also 60 cm or so tall backpacks, and you probably don't even need one that tall if you're putting it in diagonally.

Mind you, I've never seen that backpack, so I don't know if that applies to him. But if I were trying to find a backpack that can fit that, I bet I could.
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Oh, sure. I could find one too. But this kid likely had a regular kids pack sized for schoolbooks, not long weapons.

The pic of him with his daddy-bought rifle also seems to show a fixed stock. On balance, considering he had to leave the room, I'm still guessing the rifle was in his locker, possibly broken down to transport it there. If it was folded and in his pack, he could have just unzipped and started firing without leaving the room.
 
Well, I must confess I hadn't seen the pic with the gun either. But then when I remember some of those little school backpacks back in school, I'm not sure you could fit an AR-15 in one of those even if you disassembled it. Admittedly, I've never actually disassembled an AR-15. Pus, it sounds like they were looking not just for a person, but a specific backpack too, so it may not have been the standard school one.
 
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