Split Thread Trans ideology causes school shootings

[Samson]

Utter fantasy to support your transphobic views....

You seem very sure of your comment.
I am always surprised that you seem sensible on everything but the cult of trans that is pervading the Kingdom.

 

[smartcooky]

There is no right wing.
There is a vast group of American women and citizens who are fighting tooth and nail to eliminate misinformation about sex options in American schools.
This offender posted that he was frustrated by the non acceptance of trans youth.
At the same time on the same forum he said he would kill people in a school. It was 12 months back.

Yes I do.
I am satisfied that gender should never be a subject in schools.

You seem very sure of your comment.
I am always surprised that you seem sensible on everything but the cult of trans that is pervading the Kingdom.

Please take your vile, transphobic shtick elsewhere. It is inappropriate at the best of times, but especially in this thread.

 

[Samson]

Wait - was he frustrated that they are being accepted or that they aren't?

From the quote provided it could be either.

From this side of the Atlantic, I'd guess that a gun/hunting household would be somewhat more likely to come down on the side that was frustrated that trans people are being accepted, which would mean the shooter is closer to your views than those of a trans rights activist.

I suppose we'll find out eventually, but it might be a good idea to wait until we do before coming to a conclusion.

Please take your vile, transphobic shtick elsewhere. It is inappropriate at the best of times, but especially in this thread.

Except this thread should find why people were killed.
The posts Colt made were congruent with the deaths the cult of gender has book ended.

 

[Samson]

Pacifier? Are you saying that he was telling his son to go suck on the barrel?

Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.

 

[sarge]

Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.

I am on this forum and I know no such thing. I don’t know that gender identity issues played as significant a role in this shooting as the other triggers in this kids life. I don’t know (and really doubt) that there is a ‘gender ideology’ or that it is being forced on children.

 

[HansMustermann]

Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.

But that's a complete different statement from the one I was answering to. The goal post isn't just moved, it's not even in a field for the same game.

You said the father was blackmailed, in response to why did he buy his son a gun.

WHO blackmailed him to buy a gun for a 13 year old and with what kompromat? Certainly not those supposedly pushing a gender ideology. I don't recall any trans activism group proposing that what a 13 years old REALLY needs is a gun. I don't recall anyone threatening to cancel you or whatnot if you don't buy a tween his own gun.

Not to mention, it wouldn't even make sense to do that for a kid that was AGAINST the trans. He was (supposedly) gay, not trans. I don't think any trans activist would say, "yeah, you MUST buy him a gun, just in case he wants to shoot some trans"

Seriously, you're not making any sense.

 

[HansMustermann]

I am on this forum and I know no such thing. I don’t know that gender identity issues played as significant a role in this shooting as the other triggers in this kids life. I don’t know (and really doubt) that there is a ‘gender ideology’ or that it is being forced on children.

More importantly, whether that ideology played any role, what we have at the end of the day is still a kid who's
- bullied at school,
- from a dysfunctional family, and
- having his own gun or access to one.

I mean, doesn't it sound just like the same setup as, say, Columbine? Where no "gender ideology" was involved.

I mean, mind you, nor was it here. He was bullied for being supposedly gay, not trans. And to be honest, it doesn't even matter if he was actually gay or not. A bunch of kids decided he must be, because he's always with the same other guy, so they must be dating, so let's bully him. Whether it was really gay or not, I doubt that most of those kids were privy to the details to actually make that informed judgment.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.

I thought blaming video games for youth violence was the stupidest take I ever heard, but someone always comes along to dethrone the champion.

 

[HansMustermann]

Yeah, I remember when they tried to blame it on video games when one shooter essentially tried to go long range with a shotgun. Like... bruh... If that kid had learned it from video games, by reflex he wouldn't even try using a shotgun past 10-20m

But yeah, as you say, this one manages to be more stupid than even that.

And yeah, no doubt some brave and dedicated soul will eventually defeat even this new record, by posting an even more stupid take on some shooting

 

[theprestige]

Samson's rhetoric is overblown, but it seems obvious that telling children they'll want to commit suicide if they can't get a certain specific treatment for a condition they may or may not have, that may or may not actually be treated by that treatment, can only lead to a rise in self-destructive ideation among children.

 

[dann]

because he agrees with your bigotry against trans people, trans people are guilty? that makes no sense. do you ever stop and think for a moment about...well, anything?

No, you don't get the point: If there were no trans people, Samson wouldn't hate them, so they are clearly to blame for transphobia and thus for transphobic school shootings.
It's much the same way that black people were the cause of slavery and nowadays of racism.
Look what they made us white cisgender people do!

 

[HansMustermann]

@theprestige
It still doesn't make much sense for what Samson was actually saying, though. If they told THAT to his father, and that's why said father decided to give him a gun, that makes it sound like "here, just in case you want to commit suicide." *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* "Say no more."

 

[HansMustermann]

Or do you mean how the trans ideology may have affected this? Well, as I was saying, the kid was bullied for being supposedly gay, not trans. Even if someone told him how he's supposed to think as a trans, well, he wasn't.

And TBH I'm not even convinced he even was gay, if you look at the timeline. They contacted his father about it a year ago, when the boy was 13. And apparently he had been bullied about it for quite some time already.

So you probably have a bunch of, what, 11-12 year old boys deciding to call another one gay? For most boys their gonads haven't even activated yet, so they're not sexually attracted to girls either. Nor would they really understand what it is to be thus attracted to a guy.

Sounds to me like more of a case where they decided to go full-tilt homophobic as a pejorative. Again, probably not even understanding what it means. Likely just because they heard adults using it that way.

So, yeah, if anyone REALLY wants to blame some society attitudes on it, I'd say homophobia fits that bill better.

 

[Samson]

I have no interest in conspiracy theories.
It seems obvious that this kid posted on a forum that trans kids were badly treated.
If this is so, let's look at Sex Matters, Reduxx, SEGM, Genspect, and other sites.
None of them are sinister, just concerned for women and children.

 

[Samson]

No, you don't get the point: If there were no trans people, Samson wouldn't hate them, so they are clearly to blame for transphobia and thus for transphobic school shootings.
It's much the same way that black people were the cause of slavery and nowadays of racism.
Look what they made us white cisgender people do!

Dann
It is disappointing you talk hate.
Get a grip on the issue, which is how adults have promulgated confusion in children.

 

[RolandRat]

There is no right wing.
There is a vast group of American women and citizens who are fighting tooth and nail to eliminate misinformation about sex options in American schools.
This offender posted that he was frustrated by the non acceptance of trans youth.
At the same time on the same forum he said he would kill people in a school. It was 12 months back.

There is no right wing? Can you elaborate?

 

[Oystein]

...
I hope I am wrong...

You don't, but you are.

Too awful to imagine is it not?
...

You are aware that you imagine aweful things - duly noted.

Obama was a fast instigator of protections for transgender variance ...

This is a crime that ... was instigated by an internet cult.

Wait - Obama ran an internet cult?? I thought he was president and the most powerful man on the planet? Could he not have instigated it by executive proclamation??

All of above or none of above may be true.

Read: You are quite conscious that you make up **** with no regard for reality.

There is no right wing....

There are people to the right of Adolf Hitler. Are you one of them?

Yes I do.
I am satisfied that gender should never be a subject in schools.

You can't teach Spanish. French nor German without a thorough understanding of what gender actually is.

Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.

There is no such thing as "gender ideology".
There is no "forcing on children" going on, unless you consider everything that is taught in any school "ideology being forced on children".
There is nothing in the appreciation of gender diversity that makes a child a killer. However, if you prep the kid with daily doses of right-wing hatred and then give them a gun...

I have no interest in conspiracy theories.

Read: You are fascinated by conspiracy theories and eager to believe and repeat them, provided they reinforce your extreme reight-wing ideology.

It seems obvious that this kid posted on a forum that trans kids were badly treated...

Assuming this were true: And your point is?? If that kid had posted on the internet that the daytime sky on a cloudless day is blue, would you blame any subsequent gun crime committed by that kid on the ideology of skyblueness? I mean, on a kid stating the obvious - on the internet of all places??

Dann
...the issue, which is how adults have promulgated confusion in children.

Children don't need adults to be confused. Some adults help children deal with their confusion, and some continue to perpetuate the confusion by insisting to tell children that they are not what they know deep inside they are. Some (right-wingers) thus engage in child abuse. And you wonder why that kid was confused, grabbed a gun, and did what so many (too many) right-wingers end up doing: Shooting others.

 

[Thermal]

Well, these rampage school shootings didn't happen when there was school prayer. So there's that.

Prove me wrong. Rampage school shootings were really not a thing before 1999. But we had guns. Lots of gun.

Wiki provides a list of high fatality school shootings going back to 1764, when we weren't even a United States yet. And that's just high fatality school shootings, which the current one under discussion doesn't even qualify as.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_death_toll

It's true that there are more now than in the past, but drawing the correlation to when prayer was in public schools or gender stuff being taught is entirely spurious. We could just as easily try to establish a link to when cel.phones or PCs were popularized. Or maybe Encho baggy jeans.

 

[HansMustermann]

As a Pastafarian, I will, of course, point out the obvious: it inversely correlates with pirates. OBVIOUSLY, the more that piracy along the horn of Africa and worldwide has decreased, the more dead per year in school shootings

We all know you didn't hear about this sheer amount of school shootings back in the golden age of piracy, is all I'm saying

 

[Thermal]

Kind of interesting that on a skeptics forum, we have to drag **** down to going over corellation versus causation so often.