Trausti
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"Misgendering" is now a federal offense
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dudalb
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I don't get why some people are so upset about someone being Transgender.
What the hell does someone being Trans do to hurt you?
Unless you hates Trans because your imiginary friend in the Sky tells you to do so......
Ron Obvious
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I think you're projecting. As far as I can tell, all the spittle-flecked rage in this discussion is coming from the other side. Just count the number of asterisks in recent posts.
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Trausti
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No one is upset that someone is trans identified. The objection is that people must participate and deny reality. The debate is usually men saying "yes, yes, yes," while the women say "no, no, no." No one should be compelled to partcipate is someone else's paraphilia.
Hercules56
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The issue is that we are being told that being transgender is perfectly normal and should be embraced and tolerated as a normal human expression, and that huma gender is not binary, contrary to the science. We also must accept that its perfectly normal for a man to feel he was born in the wrong body and should be allowed to permanently mutulate their body to make them "look" sorta like a woman. And we must all recognize and acknowledge them as women. As much of a woman as our own mothers.
arthwollipot
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Tell me you don't know any trans people without saying you don't know any trans people.
Ron Obvious
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Thank you for that meaningless bit of virtue signalling.
Even in my relatively small circle of acquaintances, I know FIVE people dealing with trans-identifying children or grandchildren. That's how I've come to the conclusion that this has all the hallmarks of a social contagion.
Yeah, I think there are two separate things that people are conflating here, or at least not being clear about. One is whether or not you think it's wrong to misgender someone. There's a legitimate discussion to be had about that, and in my view it certainly can be rude, and I'd want to judge that based on individual cases. The other is whether or not universities should be required to police this kind of speech. Like you, even to the extent that misgendering is rude, I really don't think there should be a federal law mandating politeness. When rudeness rises to the level of harassment, yes, I think that should be within the powers of the university's administration to take steps to discourage, punish, or whatever, but they already have policies about harassment and don't need a separate rule to deal with "harassment involving misgendering" or something.
And finally, yes, your final sentence is the bit I also find much more serious than the rest of this. There's no justification for a rule that prohibits discussion, or mockery, of the rule.
plague311
Great minds think...
This has been tackled. Asterisks doesn't mean people are mad, or upset, or affected by "spittle-flecked rage". That's just a cop out to avoid addressing the actual points I've made. Which none of you have. Even hercules most recent post doesn't address anything other than saying, "Uh huh, I do too like Free Speech". What was the viewpoint of the person that literally started this ******* thread? It's like you guys have no self awareness at all.
I have no problems with transgender people. What I do have problems with is (mainly) self-identifying transwomen demand access to woman only spaces (change rooms, toilets, prisons, refuges etc) and sports.
plague311
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There isn't. For the thousandth time, there isn't. This isn't a federal law, it's a private school giving their policy guidance related to Title IX, and possibly a few others colleges may have the same guidance. There is no federal law. Just stop it.
I also don't think that if someone says "the policy on transgender is stupid" that they will suffer any consequences. We can't find any evidence, and I've asked, of that actually happening. So far there is nothing more than fear mongering around individual interpretations. I honestly feel that saying "there is no mockery" of the rule is when it's individualized. Saying "The fact I have to call you a woman instead of a man is dumb as hell". I don't know. None of us really know because there's never been anything documented we can refer to.
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arthwollipot
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Have you ever talked to any of them? Not the parents or grandparents. The children.
plague311
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Well, we're not even sure if that is happening here. So...
Ron Obvious
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No. All five are 16 or under and dealing with a host of other issues, such as autism/ADHD.
But over the past 50 years, I've known two men well who identified as women. One was a close university friend who felt comfortable enough with me to share with me this (then totally shameful) secret. In his case, he was forcibly raped by a group of male cousins who made him wear a dress when he was around 13 or so.
I felt a lot of compassion for him, but certainly never considered him to be an actual woman for one moment.
The other was a work colleague who announced his new status to our group in a company-wide email. Apparently his wife had no idea and attempted to kill herself when she found out. Fortunately, she didn't succeed.
I've been retired for over 25 years and have no idea what he's doing now.
I didn’t say it was in this case, but it has been happening.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
That may well be an issue for some, and obviously for you, but it is not the issue that started this thread. We are not all, nor would it be reasonable if we were, students at Mount Holyoke College. They are being told how to act. We are merely being told about it. At that particular place, a public policy is in place which is explicit and specific and to which one might reasonably presume the students and remaining employees of the institution follow. We need not. You need not.
You may well disagree with their policy, and you may be right in doing so. You may well consider it a dangerous trend and a red flag for an unwelcome cultural change, and you may be right in doing so, and you certainly have every right to say it. But in the meantime you are not being forced to do anything or to accept anything except for the existence of people and ideas you despise, unless you are contemplating enrolling at Mount Holyoke College. Which I doubt would be possible even if you were in the mood to sow discord and agitation and amateur psychology, since it's a women's college and requires applicants to hold a viewpoint you make clear you do not share (of course as we know on the internet nobody knows you're a dog, but it seems reasonable in this context to guess you are a cisgendered male person, and - flattery though it might be -, that you are not a dishonest creep who would lie himself in for the purpose).
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arthwollipot
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It shows. Maybe you should.
Maybe you should speak to some transgender adults as well. Neurodivergence is not a reason not to talk to them.
Not sure what the purpose was for that anecdote, but okay.
So no, you have never really spoken to any transgender people. Perhaps you should. You might find it enlightening.
Ron Obvious
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I guess you didn't read what I said.
arthwollipot
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In the first case you said that you didn't consider the person to be transgender. In the second, you said that you have no idea where they are or what they're doing. I'd say that in neither case did you speak to a transgender person.
Ron Obvious
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I guess you missed the part about knowing them well. I'd say they qualify as transgender by the current definition. I think you're moving the goalposts.
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