Court Ruling on Machinegun Possession

Ranb said:
Machine guns have always been legal in the USA at the federal level. A $200 tax and ATF approval is required for a transfer involving an unlicensed civilian and all machine guns owned by unlicensed civilians were registered by May 1986. Some states prohibit possession by unlicensed civilians.

It is legal for civilians to make machine guns for the government. They are obviously possessed during the manufacturing process.

This ruling might open up the civilian machine gun registry to new machine guns for civilian possession. The other transfer requirements would remain in affect.
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Ranb said:
As far as I know, only one person has used their registered machine gun to commit murder in the USA.
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Don't you think that would increase if machine guns were easily available and didn't cost as much as a car?
 
Thermal said:
I refuse to explain what might be considered "bad" when the discussion is about their extremely high prevalence in high fatality mass shootings.
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You haven't established that it's any higher than one should expect simply based on their overall popularity. And even if it is, there's the whole issue of correlation vs. causation that we haven't even touched upon yet. If you don't want to talk about this stuff at all, that's fine, but absent further explanation, I'm not really sure what your position even is.
 
Segnosaur said:
That's just variations of "I want one", without stating a practical purpose for it.
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I don't think Jim Jeffries is very funny most of the time but I think he really nailed it when he said this:

There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun. And this is the argument:

"**** off. I like guns."

It's not the best argument, but it's all you've got.
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(link but we've all seen it)
 
Andy_Ross said:
Don't you think that would increase if machine guns were easily available and didn't cost as much as a car?
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Yes it would increase. I think most Americans are still put off by the idea of a $200 tax, the ATF authorization process (it is harmless, but some people still irrationally fear the ATF) and the several month wait.

I think it is more likely that a criminal or wanna-be will simply settle for a semi-auto or modify their semi-auto into a contraband machine gun instead.

Some machine guns are far less than the price of a used car ($21k) or a new car ($47k). The dealer samples cost far less than those an unlicensed individual like me can buy. https://www.gunbroker.com/Machine-Guns/search?PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=1
 
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Sure make them legal, with a $100,000 tax and a 50 year cooling off period.

I'd be down with that.
 
Ranb said:
Machine guns have always been legal in the USA at the federal level. A $200 tax and ATF approval is required for a transfer involving an unlicensed civilian and all machine guns owned by unlicensed civilians were registered by May 1986. Some states prohibit possession by unlicensed civilians.

It is legal for civilians to make machine guns for the government. They are obviously possessed during the manufacturing process.

This ruling might open up the civilian machine gun registry to new machine guns for civilian possession. The other transfer requirements would remain in affect.
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As the last 2 years have shown the quickest way to see if they will be legal is to check who is paying for what for the 9 people that decide on your freedoms. I’m assuming you are for them being legal? If so you need you to a get rich gun factory owning person to sponsor some holidays and private jet travel for the 9 as that’s how legality is now settled in your country.
 
Darat said:
As the last 2 years have shown the quickest way to see if they will be legal is to check who is paying for what for the 9 people that decide on your freedoms. I’m assuming you are for them being legal? If so you need you to a get rich gun factory owning person to sponsor some holidays and private jet travel for the 9 as that’s how legality is now settled in your country.
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Machine guns are already legal with restrictions. I was going to buy one and leave it in Nevada as my other residences in Minnesota and Washington which have more controls. The Ruger 10/22 machine gun I had my eyes on was about $8000. But I decided that a new bike was a better purchase.

I don't feel like being part of a court bribery scheme. :)
 
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bobdroege7 said:
Sure make them legal, with a $100,000 tax and a 50 year cooling off period.
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Wouldn't that make it even more enticing to tax other civil rights? The 11% excise tax on all firearms and the $200 transfer tax stamp on NFA firearms have been the norm for decades. Should the government also tax the media to restrict unfavorable (in their view) opinions or require that defendants pay for a speedy trial?
 
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End the ban on machine guns younger than 1986.

But keep them under NFA control. The average Joe should not be able to go buy a machine gun at Walmart.
 
Hercules56 said:
End the ban on machine guns younger than 1986.

But keep them under NFA control. The average Joe should not be able to go buy a machine gun at Walmart.
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Walmart sells guns now. What is wrong with Walmart adding an SOT to their FFL and selling NFA firearms?

There is nothing wrong with the average Joe who can own any other gun and wants to own a machine gun. The average Joe gun owner can just do that now if they live in a state that allows them and willing to pay the higher price.
 
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Ranb said:
Walmart sells guns now. What is wrong with Walmart adding an SOT to their FFL and selling NFA firearms?

There is nothing wrong with the average Joe who can own any other gun and wants to own a machine gun. The average Joe gun owner can just do that now if they live in a state that allows them and willing to pay the higher price.
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No, Average Joe has to first get NFA approval.
 
Ranb said:
Machine guns are already legal with restrictions. I was going to buy one and leave it in Nevada as my other residences in Minnesota and Washington which have more controls. The Ruger 10/22 machine gun I had my eyes on was about $8000. But I decided that a new bike was a better purchase.

I don't feel like being part of a court bribery scheme. :)
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You are OK - the SC has decided that bribes are OK.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, Average Joe has to first get NFA approval.
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I alluded to the ATF approval process to transfer NFA firearms three times in this thread already. Do you think I would need to emphasize the requirement to have a driver's license prior to discussing a road trip?
 
Thermal said:
Did you not understand the post you are quoting? I specifically did not want to have this discussion again. It goes nowhere.
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I understood the post. I just tend to comment on posts that I disagree with. Don't have this discussion again if you don't want to.
 
Ranb said:
Wouldn't that make it even more enticing to tax other civil rights? The 11% excise tax on all firearms and the $200 transfer tax stamp on NFA firearms have been the norm for decades. Should the government also tax the media to restrict unfavorable (in their view) opinions or require that defendants pay for a speedy trial?
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There would not be much support for taxing other rights.

The government can and should limit what kind of arms one may bear with respect to the second amendment for the greater good of society.

Say one handgun and one rifle for each citizen.

One could even allow ownership of machine guns provided they are kept locked at the shooting range of your choice.

We have had mass murders for decades too, something needs to change.
 
Ranb said:
Wouldn't that make it even more enticing to tax other civil rights? The 11% excise tax on all firearms and the $200 transfer tax stamp on NFA firearms have been the norm for decades. Should the government also tax the media to restrict unfavorable (in their view) opinions or require that defendants pay for a speedy trial?
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There is no civil right to specifically own a machine gun.
 
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