Who (or what) created the creator?

Iacchus said:
God is Eternal. Time and space is just an illusion which, exists on the this side of the speed of light ... where mass, hence "matter" accrues.
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Thank you - At last, an answer to my original question.

Are you saying that everything that is of mass/matter needs to have been created, but God is not of mass/matter so can be eternal?

If time and space is just an illusion, does that mean that everything is just a figment of our imagination. I guess this would have to mean that our imagination is just a figment of itself.
 
ynot said:
By the way. A God should be referred to as a “thing” or an “it”. Anything that doesn’t “go forth and multiply” doesn’t need a sexual gender.
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You don't believe in the Kama Sutra? Why not? Everything about nature suggests its creator is both male and female and, sexual in nature.
 
Iacchus said:
You don't believe in the Kama Sutra? Why not? Everything about nature suggests its creator is both male and female and, sexual in nature.
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Really? Even though the parts of nature that we know about are far more than 99% sexless? If you're going by what nature suggests, then the creator should be hydrogen.

Or are you once again exaggerating the importance of humans in nature?
 
ynot said:
Thank you - At last, an answer to my original question.

Are you saying that everything that is of mass/matter needs to have been created, but God is not of mass/matter so can be eternal?
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I'm suggesting that time and space is merely evidence of the creative force behind it. And yes, God does not have to co-habit with time and space in order to exist.

If time and space is just an illusion, does that mean that everything is just a figment of our imagination. I guess this would have to mean that our imagination is just a figment of itself.
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If our spirits (or souls) are comprised of pure energy, then our spirits will live on forever.
 
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Iacchus said:
I'm suggesting that time and space is merely evidence of the creative force behind it.
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Suggestion considered... and rejected. No sign that spacetime is in any way 'created'.

If our spirits (or souls) are comprised of pure energy, then our spirits will live on forever.
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A beam of light is comprised of pure energy. A beam of light doesn't live on forever. IF souls exist, why should we believe that they, too, live on forever?
 
Tricky said:
Really? Even though the parts of nature that we know about are far more than 99% sexless? If you're going by what nature suggests, then the creator should be hydrogen.

Or are you once again exaggerating the importance of humans in nature?
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I'm referring to that which is alive and conscious which, is really the only means we have to tell.
 
Iacchus said:
I'm referring to that which is alive and conscious which, is really the only means we have to tell.
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As soon as you can show us any evidence that God is either conscious or alive, then perhaps your speculations about His/Her/Its nature will have some weight. Until then you should find it more logical that God is hydrogen, because thats what He/She/It made the most of.
 
zaayrdragon said:
Suggestion considered... and rejected. No sign that spacetime is in any way 'created'.

A beam of light is comprised of pure energy. A beam of light doesn't live on forever. IF souls exist, why should we believe that they, too, live on forever?
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No, I don't claim to know all the details. I am merely trying to draw a dichotomy (if I'm using the correct word here) between mass and energy, and the possibility of two separate realities existing in accord with each. This much I do know anyway. ;)
 
OK - I will answer my own question . . .

Santa created God to fill in for all the other days of the year.
 
Tricky said:
As soon as you can show us any evidence that God is either conscious or alive, then perhaps your speculations about His/Her/Its nature will have some weight. Until then you should find it more logical that God is hydrogen, because thats what He/She/It made the most of.
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Do your own research. ;)
 
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Tricky said:
As soon as you can show us any evidence that God is either conscious or alive, then perhaps your speculations about His/Her/Its nature will have some weight. Until then you should find it more logical that God is hydrogen, because thats what He/She/It made the most of.
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Yes, God is portrayed as The Sun in Heaven.
 
ynot said:
Sorry to be naughty but I can't resist - A bit like the bible?
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Oh, I see that you are really having a hard time making up your mind about me. Perhaps we can do it again some other time?
 
zaayrdragon said:
That constitutes less than one percent of one percent of the universe... truly, a simple aberration.
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Far less

Estimated biomass of the earth (all cellular material) is on the order of 10^15 kg.
Estimated mass of the earth is on the order of 6X10^24 kg.
So far less than .0000001 % of the earth is any kind of living or once living material, conscious or otherwise. And we're a small planet in a small solar system.
 
Iacchus said:
Oh, I see that you are really having a hard time making up your mind about me. Perhaps we can do it again some other time?
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I'm not deciding on you, just your beliefs. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Come on - To forgive is divine - Love thyn enemy - etc..
 
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