Kamala Harris Election Campaign

[acbytesla]

You're not trying to be persuaded. You're trying to be pandered to. And it doesn't matter since you're going to vote the rapiest anyway. That's why you ignore the fact that has been stated over and over again, tha tthe Demcorats were ready to pass one of the strictest immigratin bills in generations, giving the republicans everything they wanted, and the GQP still shot it down because the ORange Weakling didn't want to give Biden a win.

This is so much bloody nonsense. You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make them drink it.

This is why I hate this point in elections. It is about convincing the uneducated and the decision impaired. Marcus wants solutions to problems, but he refuses to commit to anything.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

It doesn't sound like you have any interest in swaying moderate or undecided voters.

It doesn't sound like you addressed the points raised: the Democrats supported a border security bill that gave the Republicans nearly everything they *said* they wanted. But the Rs blew it up, so that they could have immigration as an issue for the present campaign.

Republicans don't want to fix the immigration issue, they want to "own" the immigration issue so that they can then use it to "own" the libs with precisely the sort of "you-don't-care-about-the-concerns-of-ordinary-Americans" talking points you are uncritically reciting.

 

[Marcus]

Even with Trump ignoring the laws he still couldn't get the wall built. That's a prime example of the POTUS not being able to just sign executive orders, and doing what they want. It's just not an option.



I don't think you're an idiot, I can't speak for others, but I think you're asking for something to be done that just can't be done the way you think it can. POTUS and VP can't just create orders and have them done. That's why the left gave the GOP as much as they could in the border deal that got struck down. They were literally trying to do what you're asking them to do but the guy who leads the party you're in general support of knocked it down so he could campaign on it.

I think that's the point you're missing but I'll definitely admit that some others here are getting a little aggressive.




He literally said he wasn't voting for Trump. You guys need to take a breath and simmer down a bit and that's coming from me. The king of not taking a breath and simmering down a bit.

Thanks for this. Perhaps I'm wrong and there is no way to persuade moderates and undecideds that they don't have to vote for Trump over this issue, but at least you are not assuming I'm a Secret Republican.

 

[jimbob]

You're entitled to your opinion. Never mind the ignorance.

Governing and reaching solutions isn't just a matter of waving a wand. Everything takes time. The idea that the Vice President or even the President can accomplish what they want in the matter of months without a total disregard of laws that are in place is absurd.

Sure, he could do what Trump did and disregard laws and be inhumane. But even that isn't a solution. Attempting to solve immigration doesn't start at the border. It ends there.

I disagree.

Save your ire for those who are still voting for the traitorous fascist.

By all means politely point out the errors but don't blame someone for having been mislead

 

[thaiboxerken]

Thanks for this. Perhaps I'm wrong and there is no way to persuade moderates and undecideds that they don't have to vote for Trump over this issue, but at least you are not assuming I'm a Secret Republican.

I don't think anyone thinks it's a secret.

 

[Marcus]

It doesn't sound like you addressed the points raised: the Democrats supported a border security bill that gave the Republicans nearly everything they *said* they wanted. But the Rs blew it up, so that they could have immigration as an issue for the present campaign.

Republicans don't want to fix the immigration issue, they want to "own" the immigration issue so that they can then use it to "own" the libs with precisely the sort of "you-don't-care-about-the-concerns-of-ordinary-Americans" talking points you are uncritically reciting.

I'm not trying to own the libs, I'm trying to regain some of the Democratic votes that been lost over this issue. If my ideas suck, fine, but I still don't believe that Kamala and Joe are powerless to make any headway on this issue before the election.

 

[acbytesla]

I disagree.

Save your ire for those who are still voting for the traitorous fascist.

By all means politely point out the errors but don't blame someone for having been mislead

You're probably right. I know I can get a little serious about all this.

Still, far too often in these threads I see pretenders. (Not saying Marcus is one.) But we have all seen it over and over and over. I'm voting your way...then a non-stop diatribe of Republican talking points.

 

[Tero]

Kamala is now talking about clamping down on the border a bit, she needs to get it done before the election, otherwise she is open to charges of inaction the last four years. Yes I know the Republicans nixed the last border bill but that isn't the end of the matter.

Border is not open. More arrests than under Trump. Government is working. Just need more funding to impove that further.

 

[theprestige]

Border is not open. More arrests than under Trump. Government is working. Just need more funding to impove that further.

Catch and release sure seems like an open border to me.

Anyway, my view is that a serious closed border policy would mean fewer border related crimes and arrests along that border. More border arrests could just mean more people are trying that border. Proper border security would have those people trying somewhere else.

 

[theprestige]

Border is not open. More arrests than under Trump. Government is working. Just need more funding to impove that further.

On a separate note, how many illegal immigrants under Trump have been tracked down and deported under Biden Harris?

 

[plague311]

Catch and release sure seems like an open border to me.

Anyway, my view is that a serious closed border policy would mean fewer border related crimes and arrests along that border. More border arrests could just mean more people are trying that border. Proper border security would have those people trying somewhere else.

In what way would you deter any person from "trying that border"? What is a "serious closed border policy"? Is that just some new term for "being able to shoot people" or putting razor wire down?

Unless you have a better available metric than border arrests then I'd say Biden\Harris are doing better than Trump. I'm not trying to be a contrarian for the sake of defending the GOP either, so there's that.

On a separate note, how many illegal immigrants under Trump have been tracked down and deported under Biden Harris?

Don't know, how many?

 

[varwoche]

You're entitled to your opinion. Never mind the ignorance.

Please point out the ignorance with specificity. That might help you see how far off base you are.

Governing and reaching solutions isn't just a matter of waving a wand. Everything takes time. The idea that the Vice President or even the President can accomplish what they want in the matter of months without a total disregard of laws that are in place is absurd.

Nobody said otherwise.

Sure, he could do what Trump did and disregard laws and be inhumane.

Nobody proposed that. Nobody even suggested.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

EDIT. NVM dumb question.

 

[Tero]

Catch and release sure seems like an open border to me.

Anyway, my view is that a serious closed border policy would mean fewer border related crimes and arrests along that border. More border arrests could just mean more people are trying that border. Proper border security would have those people trying somewhere else.

Another misnomer. Catch and release. We don't have facilities to house them all, but here is the graph. Half or those detained are deported.
https://www.threads.net/@esa55jarvi...QGzm92xo1DVVGiRJgeeg22m8twlJ_26_u--PwfY_ZXMuw

 

[acbytesla]

You're entitled to your opinion. Never mind the ignorance.

Governing and reaching solutions isn't just a matter of waving a wand. Everything takes time. The idea that the Vice President or even the President can accomplish what they want in the matter of months without a total disregard of laws that are in place is absurd.

Sure, he could do what Trump did and disregard laws and be inhumane. But even that isn't a solution. Attempting to solve immigration doesn't start at the border. It ends there.

Please point out the ignorance with specificity. That might help you see how far off base you are.

Nobody said otherwise.

Nobody proposed that. Nobody even suggested.

Everything was in my posts.

Fact. The Biden administration has been tougher on immigration than the Trump administration was. It just didn't put children in cages or take them away from their families. Fact, Congress has done nothing but complain. Fact, Republicans basically wrote a very tough bill to strengthen immigration restrictions and the Democrats agreed to pass that bill. Fact, Trump blew up that deal because he wanted to use immigration as a political issue.

The implication was the Democrats could implement some magical policy in three months that would address totally unknown concerns of moderates and undecided on immigration. To suggest this has to based on ignorance. A basic understanding of our laws and the politics shows that this is wishful thinking.

 

[dudalb]

Trump has begun to lay whe groundwork for another :Stolen Election campaign.
Stories about it all over the place.

 

[catsmate]

Border is not open. More arrests than under Trump. Government is working. Just need more funding to impove that further.

These facts re drowned out by the nonsensical wailings of the Trumpettes.

 

[JoeMorgue]

... was Trump playing the "Stolen Election!" card if he lost ever really in doubt?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Trump has begun to lay whe groundwork for another :Stolen Election campaign.
Stories about it all over the place.

The claims about AI-generated crowds at Harris/Walz events is another part of the setup. "They didn't even have anyone show up at their rallies, it was all fake."

 

[JoeMorgue]

The claims about AI-generated crowds at Harris/Walz events is another part of the setup. "They didn't even have anyone show up at their rallies, it was all fake."

It's a new version of "But I don't see any trucks driving around with huge Biden flags on them!"