Kamala Harris Election Campaign

[Beelzebuddy]

OK.

The most important question, and one that I believed influenced the author of this thread.

Is it:
Harris' campaign
or
Harris's campaign

Where do forumites stand on the apostrophe question?

Both are acceptable. I lean toward Harris's since Harris is singular. Harris' implies multiple Harrises owning whatever. Similarly Walz's.

 

[CarbShark]

The reason the Hillary post is relevant to this thread is that the same right wing echo chamber megaphone repeating talking points endlessly is still at work and now targetting Harris/Walz.

Don't get fooled again. (And, yes, if you believed any of those Hillary scandals, you were fooled by the most sophisticated and effective propoganda and misinformation machine in human history)

 

[Donal]

Kamala is now talking about clamping down on the border a bit, she needs to get it done before the election, otherwise she is open to charges of inaction the last four years. Yes I know the Republicans nixed the last border bill but that isn't the end of the matter.

What is she suppsoed to do? She's the VP. Even Biden can't do anything really ground breaking without both chambers of Cognress approving.

What she was actually tasked with doing by Biden was to work with the governments of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala to address the conditions causing people from those countries to flee. Because a ******* wall doesn't stop people trying to flee drug cartels funded by our dollars.

But that's one of the discussions we can't have.

 

[Marcus]

That's ignorant nonsense. Why is it that so many Americans do not understand our government and how it works? She can not do anything more than her opposition. As VP, she has ZERO authority to do ANYTHING. She is NOT the Executive. She can not implement policy. She can not issue executive orders, she can not pass legislation.

Nope. She has the cooperation of the president, he will do what he can to help her look good for the election.



Kamala recognizes that immigration policy is a big weakness for the Democrats this election cycle. Not just for President, but also all the races down the line. Lately she has been promising to tighten it up if she is elected. The Republican response is "you left the spigot open for four years!" It doesn't matter that she is only the VP, the actions of the administration she is part of will reflect on her election chances.

 

[Donal]

Nope. She has the cooperation of the president, he will do what he can to help her look good for the election.

Such as? He has already issued executive orders to try and increase staffing and roll out mor eelctronic emasures.

Kamala recognizes that immigration policy is a big weakness for the Democrats this election cycle. Not just for President, but also all the races down the line. Lately she has been promising to tighten it up if she is elected. The Republican response is "you left the spigot open for four years!" It doesn't matter that she is only the VP, the actions of the administration she is part of will reflect on her election chances.

Does it matter if the line of attack is a lie?

 

[Marcus]

What is she suppsoed to do? She's the VP. Even Biden can't do anything really ground breaking without both chambers of Cognress approving.

What she was actually tasked with doing by Biden was to work with the governments of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala to address the conditions causing people from those countries to flee. Because a ******* wall doesn't stop people trying to flee drug cartels funded by our dollars.

But that's one of the discussions we can't have.

Another border bill that gives up a little ground to the right. Not all the way to Trump land, but far enough that if Trump blocks it again ( by telling Republicans not to vote for it) the optics will be bad. Also possibly there are some executive orders that could help.

 

[Marcus]

Such as? He has already issued executive orders to try and increase staffing and roll out mor eelctronic emasures.




Does it matter if the line of attack is a lie?

What matters is convincing some moderates that another Democratic administration will do a better job addressing the border problem. It looks like a close election, a few votes here and there could make the difference.

 

[acbytesla]

Nope. She has the cooperation of the president, he will do what he can to help her look good for the election.

Kamala recognizes that immigration policy is a big weakness for the Democrats this election cycle. Not just for President, but also all the races down the line. Lately she has been promising to tighten it up if she is elected. The Republican response is "you left the spigot open for four years!" It doesn't matter that she is only the VP, the actions of the administration she is part of will reflect on her election chances.

If you think that you're an idiot.

Fact. The Biden administration has been tougher on immigration than the Trump administration was. It just didn't put children in cages or take them away from their families. Fact, Congress has done nothing but complain. Fact, Republicans basically wrote a very tough bill to strengthen immigration restrictions and the Democrats agreed to pass that bill. Fact, Trump blew up that deal because he wanted to use immigration as a political issue.

 

[acbytesla]

Another border bill that gives up a little ground to the right. Not all the way to Trump land, but far enough that if Trump blocks it again ( by telling Republicans not to vote for it) the optics will be bad. Also possibly there are some executive orders that could help.

Congress is in recess and Republicans won't even talk about an Immigration bill at the moment. This isn't about government. It's about politics.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I am so, so, so sick of people lying about what they are concerned about.

If you're "oh so concerned" with border security why vote for the side THAT BLOCKS BORDER SECURITY BILLS?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ecurity-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607

I'm so sick of Republicans (and "Don't you dare call me a Republican" Republicans) claiming that what makes them vote Republican is things the Republicans AREN'T DOING.

 

[Donal]

Another border bill that gives up a little ground to the right. Not all the way to Trump land, but far enough that if Trump blocks it again ( by telling Republicans not to vote for it) the optics will be bad.

They gave the Republicans everything they wanted and it still was shot down. I'm not going to engage in some "both sides" fantasy. How much have the optics hurt the Republicans? You didn't even know about that. You still hold the Democrats accountable.

Also possibly there are some executive orders that could help.

Such as? Biden has already done some.

 

[acbytesla]

I am so, so, so sick of people lying about what they are concerned about.

If you're "oh so concerned" with border security why vote for the side THAT BLOCKS BORDER SECURITY BILLS?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ecurity-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607

I'm so sick of Republicans (and "Don't you dare call me a Republican" Republicans) claiming that what makes them vote Republican is things the Republicans AREN'T DOING.

EXACTA MUNDO!

If you look at Republicans in Congress since the day Obama took office have DONE ZERO. Actually less than ZERO. They are very good about whining about government mistakes though!

 

[Donal]

What matters is convincing some moderates that another Democratic administration will do a better job addressing the border problem. It looks like a close election, a few votes here and there could make the difference.

Then stop repeating Republican lies.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I am so, so, so sick of people lying about what they are concerned about.

If you're "oh so concerned" with border security why vote for the side THAT BLOCKS BORDER SECURITY BILLS?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ecurity-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607

I'm so sick of Republicans (and "Don't you dare call me a Republican" Republicans) claiming that what makes them vote Republican is things the Republicans AREN'T DOING.

You misunderstand what "concern" actually is: it's the third element in the glorious triumvirate of nothing. The other two are frequently cited together, I'm sure you've heard of them, they are "thoughts" and "prayers". All three are simply words uttered to demonstrate the speaker is a good person. There is no actual action taken, or intention to take action, or interest in taking action. All that matters is that the audience understands the speaker of the words feels the best possible feelings about something.

 

[varwoche]

Nope. She has the cooperation of the president, he will do what he can to help her look good for the election.

Kamala recognizes that immigration policy is a big weakness for the Democrats this election cycle. Not just for President, but also all the races down the line. Lately she has been promising to tighten it up if she is elected. The Republican response is "you left the spigot open for four years!" It doesn't matter that she is only the VP, the actions of the administration she is part of will reflect on her election chances.

If you think that you're an idiot.

Fact. The Biden administration has been tougher on immigration than the Trump administration was. It just didn't put children in cages or take them away from their families. Fact, Congress has done nothing but complain. Fact, Republicans basically wrote a very tough bill to strengthen immigration restrictions and the Democrats agreed to pass that bill. Fact, Trump blew up that deal because he wanted to use immigration as a political issue.

I'm hard-pressed to see anything incorrect in Marcus's post, much less anything that justifies your invective.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm hard-pressed to see anything incorrect in Marcus's post, much less anything that justifies your invective.

You're entitled to your opinion. Never mind the ignorance.

Governing and reaching solutions isn't just a matter of waving a wand. Everything takes time. The idea that the Vice President or even the President can accomplish what they want in the matter of months without a total disregard of laws that are in place is absurd.

Sure, he could do what Trump did and disregard laws and be inhumane. But even that isn't a solution. Attempting to solve immigration doesn't start at the border. It ends there.

 

[Marcus]

They gave the Republicans everything they wanted and it still was shot down. I'm not going to engage in some "both sides" fantasy. How much have the optics hurt the Republicans? You didn't even know about that. You still hold the Democrats accountable.



Such as? Biden has already done some.

It doesn't sound like you have any interest in swaying moderate or undecided voters. There are only so many issues where that is even possible. Abortion, for example, is baked in, nothing a candidate says will change anyones mind at this point.


Where I am immigration is a hot button issue, affecting peoples voting choices. Regardless of how many people are convinced that I'm an idiot, I am not persuaded that this issue is a lost cause and there are no votes to be gained.

 

[acbytesla]

It doesn't sound like you have any interest in swaying moderate or undecided voters. There are only so many issues where that is even possible. Abortion, for example, is baked in, nothing a candidate says will change anyones mind at this point.


Where I am immigration is a hot button issue, affecting peoples voting choices. Regardless of how many people are convinced that I'm an idiot, I am not persuaded that this issue is a lost cause and there are no votes to be gained.

You're kidding, right? There is only so much he or the Democrats can do to persuade moderate or undecided voters. What do you think he, they can do?

Seriously, offer us some political wisdom. And be specific as opposed to typical generalities. I am so tired of hearing non-specific pablum that I hear from the middle.

 

[Donal]

It doesn't sound like you have any interest in swaying moderate or undecided voters.

I refuse to engage in a "both sides fantasy". There are only so many issues where that is even possible. Abortion, for example, is baked in, nothing a candidate says will change anyones mind at this point.

Where I am immigration is a hot button issue, affecting peoples voting choices. Regardless of how many people are convinced that I'm an idiot, I am not persuaded that this issue is a lost cause and there are no votes to be gained.

You're not trying to be persuaded. You're trying to be pandered to. And it doesn't matter since you're going to vote the rapiest anyway. That's why you ignore the fact that has been stated over and over again, tha tthe Demcorats were ready to pass one of the strictest immigratin bills in generations, giving the republicans everything they wanted, and the GQP still shot it down because the ORange Weakling didn't want to give Biden a win.

 

[plague311]

Sure, he could do what Trump did and disregard laws and be inhumane. But even that isn't a solution. Attempting to solve immigration doesn't start at the border. It ends there.

Even with Trump ignoring the laws he still couldn't get the wall built. That's a prime example of the POTUS not being able to just sign executive orders, and doing what they want. It's just not an option.

Regardless of how many people are convinced that I'm an idiot, I am not persuaded that this issue is a lost cause and there are no votes to be gained.

I don't think you're an idiot, I can't speak for others, but I think you're asking for something to be done that just can't be done the way you think it can. POTUS and VP can't just create orders and have them done. That's why the left gave the GOP as much as they could in the border deal that got struck down. They were literally trying to do what you're asking them to do but the guy who leads the party you're in general support of knocked it down so he could campaign on it.

I think that's the point you're missing but I'll definitely admit that some others here are getting a little aggressive.

And it doesn't matter since you're going to vote the rapiest anyway.

I would rather argue for her than against her, I am supporting her against Trump. Let someone who supports Trump argue against her.

He literally said he wasn't voting for Trump. You guys need to take a breath and simmer down a bit and that's coming from me. The king of not taking a breath and simmering down a bit.