The Tim Walz campaign, and the ******** attacks upon him.

Stacyhs said:
Comparing Flynn to Walz is like comparing Al Capone to a 12 yr-old who pocketed a candy bar from Walmart.
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As far as I know, Walz has never been secretly on the payroll of another country, and has never advocated declaring martial law and seizing power.
 
acbytesla said:
Informed? Yes.

Interesting? Hell no.

Sometimes the devil is in the details. Other times, the details are insignificant minutiae.

The important aspects of Tim Walz's military career is that he honorably served our nation for almost a quarter of a century. A man we all owe a debt of,gratitude to. He has earned our respect. A man who stepped up and said I'll do it. When so many of us had our own priorities.

Not this petty picayune crap peddled by partisan politicians.

But go ahead if you like. Wallow in ****. Pigs do and they love it.
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Yeah, that was uncalled for. Maybe step away from the forum for an hour? Go for a nice walk? Grow up?
 
Scopedog said:
There's no comparison between local and state scrutiny and national scrutiny, where the populations of 49 more states are now in the mix.

Speaking of innuendo, he objectively made a statement in 2021 that could only be interpeted by the audience at the time as him having deployed to Afghanistan with the National Guard:
https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14382741&postcount=235

The only way to interpret it differently is if you knew he went to Afghanistan as a Congressman but never with the National Guard or if you found that out later. All he had to do was say, " ... as a Congressman, I stood one night in the dark of night on the tarmac at Bagram Air Base ... " There are many instances of statements he's made where all he had to do was a add a couple of words to dispel any possible incorrect inferrence but they're instead conspicuous by their absence. If this is innuendo on my part then he seems to invite it.

It also occurs to me that the published version of the speech, where it says, " ... I had the privilege of serving in this state's national guard. I stood one night in the dark of night on the tarmac at Bagram Air Base ... ", with only a period between the reference to National Guard service and Bagram, is probably the original version of the speech, or closer to it, than the video version, and it would have to have been approved by Governor Walz. The evidence that it's probably the original approved version of the speech is that in the longer video version the comments between the reference to National Guard service and Bagram seem adlibbed. He first mentions the previous speakers he just watched. Why would that have been written in to the version of the speech for the event? How would the writer know who was speaking before Governor Walz? It's possible they received a schedule of speakers and threw the reference in there but I think that strains credulity. There's definitely conniption in this thread but it isn't emanating from me.
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There's no time like any time to Swiftboat vet. 24 years is a long time to voluntarily give your time up for your country. It's gutter level repulsive. Then he moves on to politics which is also something you see very few of the right wing elites do. Why do you think there are so many idiots like Trump in public positions in the GOP. The real money behind the power wouldn't do either of those duties. They just send money and influence.
 
a_unique_person said:
There's no time like any time to Swiftboat vet.
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Kerry lied constantly about his service in Vietnam, and the Swiftboat vets caught him at it. Here's an example:

I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared - seared - in me.
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It must have been seared in him from watching Apocalypse Now, because it was President Nixon who said that US troops were not in Cambodia, and Nixon wasn't inaugurated until January of 1969 (and Kerry was out of Vietnam by the following Christmas). Kerry repeated this story many times--the Swift Boat Vets documented quite a few instances. But when Douglas Brinkley wrote his hagiography of Kerry, Tour of Duty somehow the Christmas in Cambodia story disappeared. Although he puts Kerry and his crew about 60 miles from the border, he never claims they went over and certainly doesn't talk about Nixon saying they weren't there.

But that wasn't even the most outrageous lie. My person favorite Kerry anecdote about his Vietnam experience was when he and his crew helped deliver a breech-birth baby on their boat. This comes from the Boston Globe bio of Kerry that came out in 2004:

To Kerry, the war was "a great leadership lesson, a great human interpersonal lesson. Six guys on a boat, you know, helping to deliver a breech-birth child to a Vietnamese woman, and you are patching up a guy who was trying to shoot you three minutes earlier...."
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That sounds quite dramatic, and very much like a scene in The Big Red One. But somehow the story didn't make the cut in Tour of Duty. Why? Because none of the other members of his boat crew could remember their ob-gyn experience.

The funniest might be Kerry's car wash misadventure. From a New York Times article in 2004, looking back on Kerry's losing campaign for a House seat in 1972:

Months later, a sympathetic profile in The Worcester Telegram summed up Mr. Kerry's predicament on a day he had been doing errands, ran out of gas, then headed to the car wash. "All of a sudden, water started washing over my shoes!" Mr. Kerry explained in the article. "The car was filling up with water! Water was coming out of every orifice! I could see the headlines: 'John Kerry, Former Congressional Candidate, Drowned in Car Wash.'"
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Sounds like a scene from a sitcom, although if we buy it both Massachusetts senators had enjoyed the unusual experience of being in a car rapidly filling up with water.

I've got plenty more; for example, Kerry claimed to have run in the Boston Marathon (which unfortunately for him keeps good records). In short, Kerry was a fabulist and the Swift Boat Vets nailed him for it. Granted, he was George Washington and the cherry tree compared to Trump.

But when you say someone was Swiftboated, it really means he was caught lying.
 
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Brainster said:
Kerry lied constantly about his service in Vietnam, and the Swiftboat vets caught him at it. Here's an example:



It must have been seared in him from watching Apocalypse Now, because it was President Nixon who said that US troops were not in Cambodia, and Nixon wasn't inaugurated until January of 1969 (and Kerry was out of Vietnam by the following Christmas). Kerry repeated this story many times--the Swift Boat Vets documented quite a few instances. But when Douglas Brinkley wrote his hagiography of Kerry, Tour of Duty somehow the Christmas in Cambodia story disappeared. Although he puts Kerry and his crew about 60 miles from the border, he never claims they went over and certainly doesn't talk about Nixon saying they weren't there.
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I'm not seeing what the lie is. Kerry served in Cambodia, only to have Nixon, an undisclosed time later, deny that they were there, and that affected him. Where does he suggest that those two events happened around the same time? How is that detail supposed to be important to his narrative?
 
Brainster said:
Kerry lied constantly about his service in Vietnam, and the Swiftboat vets caught him at it. Here's an example:



It must have been seared in him from watching Apocalypse Now, because it was President Nixon who said that US troops were not in Cambodia, and Nixon wasn't inaugurated until January of 1969 (and Kerry was out of Vietnam by the following Christmas). Kerry repeated this story many times--the Swift Boat Vets documented quite a few instances. But when Douglas Brinkley wrote his hagiography of Kerry, Tour of Duty somehow the Christmas in Cambodia story disappeared. Although he puts Kerry and his crew about 60 miles from the border, he never claims they went over and certainly doesn't talk about Nixon saying they weren't there.

But that wasn't even the most outrageous lie. My person favorite Kerry anecdote about his Vietnam experience was when he and his crew helped deliver a breech-birth baby on their boat. This comes from the Boston Globe bio of Kerry that came out in 2004:



That sounds quite dramatic, and very much like a scene in The Big Red One. But somehow the story didn't make the cut in Tour of Duty. Why? Because none of the other members of his boat crew could remember their ob-gyn experience.

The funniest might be Kerry's car wash misadventure. From a New York Times article in 2004, looking back on Kerry's losing campaign for a House seat in 1972:



Sounds like a scene from a sitcom, although if we buy it both Massachusetts senators had enjoyed the unusual experience of being in a car rapidly filling up with water.

I've got plenty more; for example, Kerry claimed to have run in the Boston Marathon (which unfortunately for him keeps good records). In short, Kerry was a fabulist and the Swift Boat Vets nailed him for it. Granted, he was George Washington and the cherry tree compared to Trump.

But when you say someone was Swiftboated, it really means he was caught lying.
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Belittling his Purple Heart, for example. Trump only got a nick on the ear from his assasin, there for the assasination attempt was nothing really.
 
autumn1971 said:
If a Marine is always a Marine then the oath would compel them to defend the Constitution.
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The "Oath Keepers" were one of the largest organized groups present on Jan 6. Gullible people (Marines included) can be motivated to do all sorts of illegal things in defense of that oath, so long as they can be convinced that such activity is a defense of that oath.

But I don't get the argument that "Once a Marine, Always a Marine" is not a thing. The sentiment is very common and well known. I had college roommates who were recent Marines (and still in the Reserves) who mentioned the sentiment often.

Like literally, just talk to anyone who has been in the Marines. It doesn't mean that they somehow think that they are still active duty decades after mustering out, but they do still identify with the Corps with pride. It's not a crazy thing, it's a pride in service thing.

Incidentally the Peace Corps (the "other" corps), has a vaguely similar concept. People who served in the PC are not rereferred to as "former Peace Corps Volunteers". The preferred term instead is "Returned Peace Corps Volunteer" (RPCV). The idea is that we spend the rest of our lives still working on "Third Goal" objectives. We are still Peace Corps Volunteers, but now we do the thing from here in the U.S. (or wherever we have "Returned" to).

I'm guessing that many other organizations have similar "once/always" ethos. Not crazy, just pride in service.
 
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crescent said:
Because the tactics being used against Walz mirror the tactics that were used against Kerry. There is a reason this keeps getting referred to as "Swiftboating".
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The Republicans are even consulting with the same people who ran the Swift Boat scam, IIRC.
 
I understood the reference I just don't think it's quite the same and now this thread has turned into mostly Kerry. I was hoping it would actually stick to being about Walz, but whatever. I'll just skip over it all. If you all find it interesting, knock yourselves out.
 
plague311 said:
I understood the reference I just don't think it's quite the same and now this thread has turned into mostly Kerry. I was hoping it would actually stick to being about Walz, but whatever. I'll just skip over it all. If you all find it interesting, knock yourselves out.
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The OP topic, and thread title include *attacks* on Tim Walz. Pointing out the origins and patterns of those attacks in the "Swift Boat" campaign against Kerry is very much on-topic.

OTOH, I agree that we should move away from the actual details of Kerry's service record and what was said about them (and I admit I've contributed to that particular derail).
 
autumn1971 said:
If a Marine is always a Marine then the oath would compel them to defend the Constitution.
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I was referring to identity, not specifics. Marines have a creed/ code that IMV is out of whack. Ever hear the expression "Unit, Corp, God, Country?" Marines are very serious about their loyalty to the Marine Corp above other priorities.
 
plague311 said:
I understood the reference I just don't think it's quite the same and now this thread has turned into mostly Kerry. I was hoping it would actually stick to being about Walz, but whatever. I'll just skip over it all. If you all find it interesting, knock yourselves out.
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The thread shouldn't. And you're right, it's not the same. But the attack is.
 
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