General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory
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Maybe you should have mentioned that at the time, then?
I don't suppose there's any mechanism to discipline him? I imagine that normally would come from the party, if an MP is neglecting their duties, but that's obviously not going to happen in this case.
Vixen
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Interesting analysis of Bernadette Spofforth's claimed defence here:
It raises the intriguing question, who exactly was behind the misinformation. Either Ms Spofforth did it off her own bat or, because she has made a seemingly false claim she saw it on FB and even printed a screenshot of it, someone supplied her with the 'information' and she doesn't want to reveal who it was. The problem with her FB screenshot is that although it shows a time of 11:29, to let the unwary reader know it was some five and a half hours before her tweet, the incident did not begin to get reported until circa 11:49, so even if she did have 'someone in Southport on FB' messaging the info, it has to be asked why she posted a screenprint of a FB post that was actually in US West Coast, Pacific, time zone (i.e., some hours AFTER Spofforth's tweet). Was it to wilfully mislead people or did she really believe that was an example of what was going around.
The police arrested her under the suspicion of breaching the 2023 Online Safety Act (really, more designed to protect minors) and there is also the older Malicious Communications Act. The three days of custody must have been the police trying to establish the origin of the misinformation and whether Ms Spofforth had mens rea under the Act in sending it out, or whether it was just a silly 'mistake' as she claims. Her other defence is that she deleted the tweet after two hours. Plus adding the disclaimer 'If true'. But then, if she knew it was just a made up claim designed to enrage people then she would put, 'if true', knowing that it would be found to be untrue, but perhaps hoping it was a Muslim immigrant attacker. Even then, why would she have this hope?
So let's see if anything comes of it.
People like Spofforth, if her aim was in bad faith, have the articulacy and vocabulary to have plausible deniability, not to mention higher education levels and the wealth to afford good legal representation. Unlike one of the street thug bin ladies whose level of response was to call the arresting officer a 'b**** ****'. If only Leanne had used the expression Spofforth used, of being 'mortified' and horrified and it was all just one big mistake for which she is so terribly sorry for, then perhaps she wouldn't have been summarily carted off to do 20 months of porridge. Spofforth has a £1.5m home and three children in trendy jobs and a well-connected husband, whilst poor old Stacey, the other bin lady, has five children who must all be still quite young, as Stacey is only 34, and now they are without a key parent for the next year or so until she's paroled. This is why IMV it is important that the instigators of the riots, if Spofforth turns out to be some such, also get hauled up before the courts, and not get away with it just because they know how to say the right things and how to cover their tracks, with the 'silly me' excuse.
Then there is Elon Musk, who brought back the likes of Tommy Robinson, Spofforth and Katie Hopkins after they had previously been banned as inciting hatred. Musk tried to make out England was about to be in civil war and he endorsed the view of 'two-tier policing'' with a comment 'shouldn't all communities be treated the same' or similar in reference to a tweet claiming some Muslims were being treated more favourably.
OK, so in the US this might be seen as 'free speech' (but is it?). Farage and Anderson were quick off the mark to say the riots were understandable, whilst disclaiming any encouragement of them. If Stacey and Leanne and the entire cohort of 500 people arrested for public disorder have to be convicted and punished then let's see the same thing happen to the people who started the stoking of the fire with oxygen of hate politics in the first place. Farage's billboard claiming long queues of asylum seekers were waiting to enter the UK helped bring about Brexit and now the same Brexiteers are whipped up into a lather over the 15K or so asylum seekers who have arrived on dinghies so far this year. Yet there was no sign of incitement to riot over the quarter of a million Ukrainian refuges who have arrived since the invasion of Russia in their country over three years ago, so it does seem to indicate a political ring master behind all of the social unrest seen directly after the Southport stabbings.
It raises the intriguing question, who exactly was behind the misinformation. Either Ms Spofforth did it off her own bat or, because she has made a seemingly false claim she saw it on FB and even printed a screenshot of it, someone supplied her with the 'information' and she doesn't want to reveal who it was. The problem with her FB screenshot is that although it shows a time of 11:29, to let the unwary reader know it was some five and a half hours before her tweet, the incident did not begin to get reported until circa 11:49, so even if she did have 'someone in Southport on FB' messaging the info, it has to be asked why she posted a screenprint of a FB post that was actually in US West Coast, Pacific, time zone (i.e., some hours AFTER Spofforth's tweet). Was it to wilfully mislead people or did she really believe that was an example of what was going around.
The police arrested her under the suspicion of breaching the 2023 Online Safety Act (really, more designed to protect minors) and there is also the older Malicious Communications Act. The three days of custody must have been the police trying to establish the origin of the misinformation and whether Ms Spofforth had mens rea under the Act in sending it out, or whether it was just a silly 'mistake' as she claims. Her other defence is that she deleted the tweet after two hours. Plus adding the disclaimer 'If true'. But then, if she knew it was just a made up claim designed to enrage people then she would put, 'if true', knowing that it would be found to be untrue, but perhaps hoping it was a Muslim immigrant attacker. Even then, why would she have this hope?
So let's see if anything comes of it.
People like Spofforth, if her aim was in bad faith, have the articulacy and vocabulary to have plausible deniability, not to mention higher education levels and the wealth to afford good legal representation. Unlike one of the street thug bin ladies whose level of response was to call the arresting officer a 'b**** ****'. If only Leanne had used the expression Spofforth used, of being 'mortified' and horrified and it was all just one big mistake for which she is so terribly sorry for, then perhaps she wouldn't have been summarily carted off to do 20 months of porridge. Spofforth has a £1.5m home and three children in trendy jobs and a well-connected husband, whilst poor old Stacey, the other bin lady, has five children who must all be still quite young, as Stacey is only 34, and now they are without a key parent for the next year or so until she's paroled. This is why IMV it is important that the instigators of the riots, if Spofforth turns out to be some such, also get hauled up before the courts, and not get away with it just because they know how to say the right things and how to cover their tracks, with the 'silly me' excuse.
Then there is Elon Musk, who brought back the likes of Tommy Robinson, Spofforth and Katie Hopkins after they had previously been banned as inciting hatred. Musk tried to make out England was about to be in civil war and he endorsed the view of 'two-tier policing'' with a comment 'shouldn't all communities be treated the same' or similar in reference to a tweet claiming some Muslims were being treated more favourably.
OK, so in the US this might be seen as 'free speech' (but is it?). Farage and Anderson were quick off the mark to say the riots were understandable, whilst disclaiming any encouragement of them. If Stacey and Leanne and the entire cohort of 500 people arrested for public disorder have to be convicted and punished then let's see the same thing happen to the people who started the stoking of the fire with oxygen of hate politics in the first place. Farage's billboard claiming long queues of asylum seekers were waiting to enter the UK helped bring about Brexit and now the same Brexiteers are whipped up into a lather over the 15K or so asylum seekers who have arrived on dinghies so far this year. Yet there was no sign of incitement to riot over the quarter of a million Ukrainian refuges who have arrived since the invasion of Russia in their country over three years ago, so it does seem to indicate a political ring master behind all of the social unrest seen directly after the Southport stabbings.
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At least one of the people who have been convicted used the Farage riots hashtag BEFORE the riots
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TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the ******* hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
Sources: Northampton Chronicle, Independent
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That's a lie.
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This is the context
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/...-twitter-and-tagging-northants-police-4736588
Which adds a bit of extra to the incitement
I’m rather happy you aren’t allowed to go around inciting people to burn to death people in hotels, and commenting on how you can avoid forensic detection when doing so.
Perhaps I’m a tad peculiar holding that view.
Indeed
Vixen
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Tyler Kay was very likely one of the 70% of those arrested with a previous criminal record.
Scorpion, you seem to believe everything you see on Twitter-X. Were you incited to riot by the idea Ali A-Shakita, who arrived on a boat and has been sponging off British taxpayers for the last year, and who stabbed a class full of little girls and their teacher, plus a rescuer, as claimed by Tyler Kay in a tweet? Don't you think the persons/s who caused people such as yourself, who are prone to believing stuff on Twitter-X, as you have demonstrated quite few times in the various threads, at face value, - including Tyler Kay's one perhaps??? - to see red as a result, travel to a designated mosque or asylum seeker hotel, as instructed by the likes of Tyler Kay to, 'Save our Kids', should also have their collar felt by Inspector Knacker of the Yard, as well as the people who believe what the mischievous paid tweeters with an agenda write on Twitter-X and who end up in in the nick as a result of their going to the aforesaid Mosque or hotel full of young families with children?
Poor old Tyler Kay. No sympathy for the people who might have been burnt to death, though.
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P.J. Denyer
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Besides, he may be losing his council house, but he's getting free bed AND board!
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Lothian
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Here is his post.
Does that look like a quote or an original post? Does it look like he is saying it or is he making clear it is not his views rather someone else's?
Grow up. Stop acting like a child trying to blame others. These people need to be punished for their choices and what they did. Pointing out others might have done similar is no excuse.
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Carrot Flower King
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Oddly, I have managed not to tweet or re-tweet anything which could remotely be taken for calls for racist violence, even when I was a bit tiddly (an excuse used by one of the Southport rioters for why he was in a crimianl and racist riot).
I wonder how I ever managed to do that...
Actually, I checked with Carrot Flower Queen and it appears that she managed not to as well.
Very strange.
I wonder how I ever managed to do that...
Actually, I checked with Carrot Flower Queen and it appears that she managed not to as well.
Very strange.
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Your lies do not interest me.
Exactly. Not surprising given his performance in the 'Islam in Europe' and other threads.
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What is it with posters here? Adding facts to a emotionally laden argument....
Obviously a white man can't be guilty of anything.
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You are correct, though only one conviction, for theft.
Kay also advocated murdering solicitors handling immigration cases.
Wudang
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...had-clear-russian-involvement-says-ex-mi6-spy
Christopher Steele continues "when you look at the original disinformation that surrounded the Southport killings, that does seem to have come from a Russian-linked website."