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General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory
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sinnikal
Muse
Looking back at the sentencing of the Notting Hill rioters in 1958 the offenders were sentenced to 5 years as an 'exemplary' sentence.
The sentences handed out to these thugs should be 'exemplary'. 5 years should be the starting point.
The sentences handed out to these thugs should be 'exemplary'. 5 years should be the starting point.
They had the death penalty back then, too. Do you seriously think current sentencing should be guided by trials from nearly 70 years ago?
sinnikal
Muse
I think the sentences, as I said, should be exemplary. The sentences handed out so far are not exemplary.
They should act as a real deterrent.
If the UK is running low on prison places there's always the Stockholm Bibby.
They should act as a real deterrent.
If the UK is running low on prison places there's always the Stockholm Bibby.
Wudang
BOFH
From the article he handed himself in and offered no defence. “I’m absolutely ashamed by the way I’ve acted. I’ve let Southport down, I’ve let the kids down, I’ve let myself down. I’m not here to deny anything.” That may have affected his sentence.
Then again he has "14 previous convictions including several for violence" so I wonder if jail will teach him anything.
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How about we wait until we have more examples to be able to judge? There have been several hundred arrests, and I've only seen a handful of sentences reported.
Also, as Wudang says, the guy who got 3 years may well have had that reduced from a higher value because of his cooperation.
sinnikal
Muse
I'm prepared to wait until more sentences are handed out.
Wudang also pointed out that he had 14 previous convictions.
The people directly affected by this disorder are rightly terrified to go out in their neighbourhoods. That should be an aggravating factor, not mitigation.
Wudang also pointed out that he had 14 previous convictions.
The people directly affected by this disorder are rightly terrified to go out in their neighbourhoods. That should be an aggravating factor, not mitigation.
Andy_Ross
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Yes, handing himself in and especially pleading guilty at the earliest opportunity will have reduced his sentence.
If he'd gone not guilty and it had gone to Crown then pleaded guilty his reduction would have been less. If he'd gone not guilty at Crown he would get no reduction.
Carrot Flower King
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So, yer bubbling "director" had driven from Darlo to Boro "out of curiosity" when a planned right wing demo was about to kick off...Riiiiiiiiiight...Curiosity... "I have heard that Middlesbrough, the mythical land of the legendary Houchen, leader of the Guild of Not-At-All-Fraudsters, exists! I must sally forth this very day in my motorised carriage in order to establish this with my very own eyes!"
Andy_Ross
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Planned demonstration in Durham today never happened. Police had a 'section 60' dispersal order in place and wouldn't let them gather.
Supposed to be something happening in Red car today, haven't heard anything about it yet, no local news on it.
Supposed to be something happening in Red car today, haven't heard anything about it yet, no local news on it.
jeremyp
Philosopher
I don't think anybody believes that story.
Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
Yeah, I'm not sure Middlesbrough exists and apparently I worked there: I blame noxious fumes on both the A66 and A67 westbound from Darlington. I probably spent 3 years in some fugue state, as it is claimed that I also visited Port Clarence and Loftus a few times (ask Andy...).
Wudang
BOFH
He should have said he drove there to test his eyesight. Stick with the classics.
Andy_Ross
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I grew up in Brotton on the other side of the valley to Loftus.
jeremyp
Philosopher
I'm a bit concerned now. There is a demo planned in Castle Park in Bristol this evening. I am a member of the Bristol Channel* Social Rowers club and we will be rowing right past it . Should I be more concerned that the police will arrest me for curiosity or that the demonstrators will attempt to sink us as suspected illegal immigrants coming across from Wales.
*no we don't actually row in the Bristol Channel - sue me.
*no we don't actually row in the Bristol Channel - sue me.
Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
The team leader of our Redcar patch, which included that part of the world, was a Brotton lad. Back in those days the local paper, in a football report on a local league game involving Brotton, described him as "Brotton's veteran striker", which amused the rest of us, him less so.
Supposedly, given that I was in a fugue state...
Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
You would cry, too, if it happened to you.
