Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

Probably not. The fact that worldwide, about 1 in 3 women live in horrifically misogynistic societies, probably has little or nothing to do with child sexual abuse by authority figures in the US public school system.

Why does Dame Vera Baird's assertion that rape has been effectively decriminalized in the UK need to be questioned but the sexual abuse scandal in US schools accepted as evidence of (limited) rape culture?

 

[Stout]

According to the UK's Children's Commissioner:
In 2020, the four largest online pornography sites – PornHub, XVideos, xnxx and XHamster – received a combined 11 billion visits a month. This is greater than the number of monthly visits to Amazon, LinkedIn, Netflix, Zoom and eBay combined.

Oh no doubt, that pandemic had housebound people doing all sorts of things from watching porn to baking sourdough bread. I don't know if people got as bored with porn as they did with the bread. An interesting stat would be how long people actually spent watching porn and how many (if any) people became pornhounds because of it.

I'm not following this. 'Panel'?

The (now deleted) book I was referring to is a graphic novel. Maybe panel isn't the right word but it was a block of text accompanied with images. The scene I was referring to probably wasn't intended as porn but could easily be represented as porn, which leads to...

Ok, but I am not clear what your point is.

What constitutes porn is in the eye of the beholder. Be it in an educational or artistic format, there's always somebody who's going to jump out and scream "that's porn!". This is what conservatives are trying with the books aimed at children though, or a more subtle plane. Age inappropriate, of in the case of some internet forums, NSFW yet there's a lot of people who think exposing children to this content is a hill worth dying on.

We're not even talking proper book bans here we're talking about removing this sort of content from school libraries only.

 

[Poem]

The (now deleted) book I was referring to is a graphic novel. Maybe panel isn't the right word but it was a block of text accompanied with images. The scene I was referring to probably wasn't intended as porn but could easily be represented as porn, which leads to...

What constitutes porn is in the eye of the beholder. Be it in an educational or artistic format, there's always somebody who's going to jump out and scream "that's porn!". This is what conservatives are trying with the books aimed at children though, or a more subtle plane. Age inappropriate, of in the case of some internet forums, NSFW yet there's a lot of people who think exposing children to this content is a hill worth dying on.

We're not even talking proper book bans here we're talking about removing this sort of content from school libraries only.

I did visit the site about 'Let's talk about it' and posted the following short quotes from it:

"A great place to research fantasies and kinks safely is on the internet!"

"Sometimes I worry I watch too much porn."
"I know that worry. But there is nothing wrong with watching some porn. It's a fun sugary treat!"

"But, depending on your age and where you found it, porn can also be unethical or illegal to watch. So do your research! Look up interviews with your favourite porn performers, go to the sites they recommend and pay for your porn."

Assuming there are no mitigating provisos that I am not aware of, then this is clearly unacceptable. It speaks of the total normalization of porn and acceptance of children seeing it.

ETA: You said as much....

I thought it odd that an educational book aimed at people who are too young to access porn would encourage them to do so

 

[3point14]

Do we have a working definition of 'porn' yet?

Do we have any proof of it being "a bad thing", bad enough to ban it? (Other than the pure opinion without evidence pieces that have been repeatedly posted)

If we ban porn, do we ban erotic literature? Would 50 shades (of how not to do it) still be allowed?

 

[Poem]

Do we have a working definition of 'porn' yet?

Do we have any proof of it being "a bad thing", bad enough to ban it? (Other than the pure opinion without evidence pieces that have been repeatedly posted)

If we ban porn, do we ban erotic literature? Would 50 shades (of how not to do it) still be allowed?

Is it a "good thing" that porn suggesting sexual activity with children is rife on mainstream sites?

 

[3point14]

Is it a "good thing" that porn suggesting sexual activity with children is rife on mainstream sites?

The very definition of a non sequitur.

 

[Poem]

I'll ask anyone here:

Is it a "good thing" that porn suggesting sexual activity with children is rife on mainstream sites?

 

[Darat]

I'll ask anyone here:

Is it a "good thing" that porn suggesting sexual activity with children is rife on mainstream sites?

No. There should be no such pornography in any medium, in any place on the entire planet and any other place nor planet that humans inhabit.

 

[dirtywick]

the keyword study posted long ago in this thread directly contradicts the idea that porn suggesting children is “rife”

 

[sackett]

Now I want the OP to provide an example of a society that DOESN'T have a rape culture. Never mind the quote marks, any old rape will do.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Hyena culture

 

[Poem]

No. There should be no such pornography in any medium, in any place on the entire planet and any other place nor planet that humans inhabit.

Last time we spoke you were under the impression that such material was not 'normalized' and that it was being dealt with. It isn't and it remains 'normal'. The UK Online safety Bill will not make any difference:

CARE: A controversial part of the Bill would have criminalised content deemed 'legal but harmful' but this section was removed by the government last year.

From the House of Commons Library:

On 28 November 2022, the Government announced plans to amend the Bill, including the removal of the “legal but harmful” provisions for adults to protect freedom of expression.

 

[Poem]

Now I want the OP to provide an example of a society that DOESN'T have a rape culture. Never mind the quote marks, any old rape will do.

Any society that values sex as special. There might be some communities that do so, but I rather doubt that extends to whole countries.

Louise Perry has spoken of the current culture of sex disenchantment.

 

[Poem]

the keyword study posted long ago in this thread directly contradicts the idea that porn suggesting children is “rife”

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/125126/pdf/

 

[dirtywick]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/125126/pdf/

is there something specific you want me to read in there? i didn't read it all. it seems consistent with the keyword study.

This content is extremely harmful, promoting violence against women and girls,
and sexualising children. Yet online, it is easy to view free of charge and
currently lacks age-gating. Research shows that 88% of scenes in online
pornography show physical aggression, with 94% of this directed at women.2
In
2019, 39 billion searches were made on Pornhub, with one of the most frequent
search terms being ‘teen’.3 Although commercial pornography sites such as
Pornhub have banned certain search tags and descriptors that overtly suggest
underage sexual activity, such as ‘children’, ‘underage’ and ‘child young’,
research by the organisation CEASE has found that content which suggests
underage sexual activity remains prevalent, including search tags like ‘classroom
teacher’, ‘exxxtrasmall’ and ‘barely legal’.4 Examples of titles of hosted videos on
the site include ‘Cute schoolgirl get

not my formatting btw it's copy and paste

sexualizing young women isn't the same thing as sexualizing children imo

 

[Poem]

is there something specific you want me to read in there? i didn't read it all. it seems consistent with the keyword study.

not my formatting btw it's copy and paste

sexualizing young women isn't the same thing as sexualizing children imo

It does say:

Content that would be prohibited offline by the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification), making it illegal to own on DVD or Blu-Ray, is readily available on mainstream pornography sites. The BBFC will not classify any content as R18 if it is illegal, or material that is potentially harmful – for example because it depicts and/ or promotes child sexual abuse, incest, trafficking, torture, and harmful sexual acts. It includes material which promotes violent sexual activity, including breath restriction (strangulation), gagging and forced penetration, and depicts sexual activity with adult actors made to look like children: petite, young-looking performers made to look underage through props such as stuffed toys, lollipops and school uniforms. It also includes content which depicts sexual activity between family members, such as between fathers and daughters and brothers and sisters. This content is extremely harmful, promoting violence against women and girls, and sexualising children. Yet online, it is easy to view free of charge and currently lacks age-gating.

Do we trust that the BBFC have good reason to make such material illegal? I think we should. Not doing something about it yesterday is a clear indicator that we aren't civilized.

 

[dirtywick]

first of all i don't trust that they have good reason without being provided that reason. second, idk that any of that content relates specifically to sexualizing children.

edit

also, conflating sexualizing young adult women with sexualizing children strikes me as a dishonest thing to do. in fact, wouldn't it be appropriate that teens and young adults, the impressionable group you're trying to protect, are attracted to adult women near their own age? should they old be seeing much older women? is that healthy?

 

[Poem]

first of all i don't trust that they have good reason without being provided that reason. second, idk that any of that content relates specifically to sexualizing children.

You think is acceptable to have titles such as:

‘Cute schoolgirl gets ****** by her English teacher’
‘Daddy ****** Me Hard Before School’.

?

Did you know that 'chocking' is potentially dangerous and that it's common amongst those under 35?

 

[Poem]

also, conflating sexualizing young adult women with sexualizing children strikes me as a dishonest thing to do. in fact, wouldn't it be appropriate that teens and young adults, the impressionable group you're trying to protect, are attracted to adult women near their own age? should they old be seeing much older women? is that healthy?

This would be a problem for those that think nothing of children watching porn. It's worth reminding you that showing porn to a child is sexual abuse. We don't need to speculate further.

 

[dirtywick]

You think is acceptable to have titles such as:



?

Did you know that 'chocking' is potentially dangerous and that it's common amongst those under 35?

i do think it’s acceptable for it to be allowed by law.