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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

I just found out Project 2025 wants to outlaw pornography. Hate porn? Vote Trump.
 
Stout said:
I just found out Project 2025 wants to outlaw pornography. Hate porn? Vote Trump.
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A vote for Trump is a vote for someone convicted of digital rape (in a civil court) isn't it?
 
bottom line is databases with ids tied to porn consumption compiled and maintained by porn sites is a non-starter. plus, check out what stake is up with overseas crypto and what they’ve done with kick to specifically target kids if you want to see how that works out for keeping kids off the sites. vpn and crypto makes that pretty difficult

if there’s a need to do something it has to be something that works.
 
dirtywick said:
bottom line is databases with ids tied to porn consumption compiled and maintained by porn sites is a non-starter. plus, check out what stake is up with overseas crypto and what they’ve done with kick to specifically target kids if you want to see how that works out for keeping kids off the sites. vpn and crypto makes that pretty difficult

if there’s a need to do something it has to be something that works.
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Is there a website that explains this? In simple terms.
 
probably somewhere. kind of hard to find one right now that summarizes every thing on account of the ads for the sites taking up the top results. there’s a bunch of info out there to pieces of it. if i find a better summary i’ll return and post it

https://amp.theguardian.com/busines...feguards-no-match-for-online-bookie-stake-com

that’s an article about how easy it is to get on the overseas site. additionally there’s other regulations they don’t follow specifically targeted at gambling addicts, like not blacklisting on request. stake has a uk and us compliant version, but they’re basically redirects to get a vpn and use the overseas crypto sites.

as far as kick goes, it’s a streaming site like twitch owned by stake and they basically hire popular with kids and unscrupulous streamers, give them free play and better odds, and have them stream gambling and put out promo codes to the vpn friendly crypto sites. it’s a little more complex than that but that’s the long story short.

now, imagine the kind of porn you’d find on an unregulated overseas crypto site and it gets pretty ugly imo
 
roobet basically did the same stuff first on twitch before gambling was banned on the site

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also there’s some other bad stuff going on kick. they just don’t moderate the site at all basically
 
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Poem said:
And you are the one insisting on limiting the meaning of 'rape culture'.
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Yes. Because if you don't restrict your usage of the meaning of words to sensible definitions, then all you get is nonsense. I do not subscribe to the Humpty Dumpty theory of language.

Poem said:
So you are sexist dude?
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Rule of "so". One's belief in certain "feminist" ideas doesn't actually depend on one's sex. And if you don't understand how crazy academic feminism can be, either you're just not familiar with it (which most people aren't, no fault there), or you're not a rational thinker.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes. Because if you don't restrict your usage of the meaning of words to sensible definitions, then all you get is nonsense.
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Agreed.

Just so I know, please comment on this from Barnardo's:

Pornographic content which suggests sexual activity with children is extremely harmful but is rife on mainstream pornography sites.


Rule of "so".
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You are a pedant?
 
dirtywick said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/technology/kick-streaming-twitch-gambling.html

this nytimes article i found is a pretty good summary of how kick is used to target kids and side step gambling regulation and feed stake. there’s quite a few videos on youtube, coffeezilla is a good place to start looking as he covers all that stuff in detail, as well if you want more info on specific players and scams.
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Thanks, I'll have a look.

Are you suggesting that the UK's Online Safety Bill (or indeed any country's attempts to regulate content and access) is doomed to fail?
 
Poem said:
Thanks, I'll have a look.

Are you suggesting that the UK's Online Safety Bill (or indeed any country's attempts to regulate content and access) is doomed to fail?
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i’d suggest it didn’t work nearly as well as they think it did. particularly with websites that have a uk compliant address but have an overseas vpn friendly crypto casino that they advertise directly to kids via streaming services.

i think regulating online content is a huge problem and is really only possible on the user end side. i think pornhub made a good point when they put that forward, and i think porn is even more difficult than gambling
 
3point14 said:
I'm sorry, I'm still failing to see how it is unrealistic to expect parents to, well, to parent. To manage and control that which their children are exposed to and use their best judgement to do so.

I'm probably missing something.
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I'm with you in principle. Now let's talk practice.

At what age should children have a smartphone? Should those smart phones have internet access? If so, should parents be expected to monitor their children's phone usage constantly?

Things have changed from what they were when we were kids. Young kids of days gone used to have to sneak into their parents/relatives/neighbors bedrooms and find the hidden porn in order to get their thrills. That created a meaningful barrier, and severely limited both the volume and the type of porn they could find. Most people didn't have extreme bondage incest choking porn in their homes, and if they did it was hidden away well enough to make it virtually inaccessible to kids. It would have been extremely rare for a kid to ever be exposed to anything like that before the advent of internet enabled smartphones.

Now, however... it's all available, in all it's rule 34 glory, readily accessible to anyone with a phone, no matter their age.

Saying "Parents should parent better", while not wrong by any means, is sort of sidestepping the practical implications of modern life.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes. Because if you don't restrict your usage of the meaning of words to sensible definitions, then all you get is nonsense. I do not subscribe to the Humpty Dumpty theory of language.
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Technically, Trump didn't rape Jean E. Carroll because NYC penal law defines rape narrowly (only when the penis penetrates the vagina) and Trumps conviction was digital penetration - thus sexual abuse. Nevertheless, judge Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”.

Essentially the judge isn't getting lost in semantics but focusing on the more substantive fact of Trump's sexual violence.

Here's Rape Crisis in England and Wales (a Charitable Incorporated Organization) on rape culture:
Rape culture is a culture where sexual violence and abuse is normalised and played down. Where it is accepted, excused, laughed off or not challenged enough by society as a whole.

Rape culture is also a culture where some people are making money, or benefitting in some other way, from this normalisation of sexual violence and abuse.
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The (suggestive) portrayal of sexual activity with children (on mainstream porn sites) is a fact; the refusal to acknowledge this by posters here is evidence of such a culture.
 
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dirtywick said:
probably somewhere. kind of hard to find one right now that summarizes every thing on account of the ads for the sites taking up the top results. there’s a bunch of info out there to pieces of it. if i find a better summary i’ll return and post it

https://amp.theguardian.com/busines...feguards-no-match-for-online-bookie-stake-com

that’s an article about how easy it is to get on the overseas site. additionally there’s other regulations they don’t follow specifically targeted at gambling addicts, like not blacklisting on request. stake has a uk and us compliant version, but they’re basically redirects to get a vpn and use the overseas crypto sites.

as far as kick goes, it’s a streaming site like twitch owned by stake and they basically hire popular with kids and unscrupulous streamers, give them free play and better odds, and have them stream gambling and put out promo codes to the vpn friendly crypto sites. it’s a little more complex than that but that’s the long story short.

now, imagine the kind of porn you’d find on an unregulated overseas crypto site and it gets pretty ugly imo
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Very interesting article thanks.

We spoke previously on this and you (rightly it seems) expressed cynicism that UK gambling controls were secure.
 
Poem said:
Very interesting article thanks.

We spoke previously on this and you (rightly it seems) expressed cynicism that UK gambling controls were secure.
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good memory.

i dont know how old you are but i think in many ways the internet we grew up with was a lot more innocent and friendly than the one that exists now. i think that’s pretty scary for people growing up with it now.
 
dirtywick said:
good memory.

i dont know how old you are but i think in many ways the internet we grew up with was a lot more innocent and friendly than the one that exists now. i think that’s pretty scary for people growing up with it now.
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Waiting half an hour for your buddy's mom's computer to download half a low-res image of boobies wasn't very conducive to enabling teenage porn addictions.
 
NCOSE (Nation Centre On Sexual Exploitation):

Most people are shocked to discover that Federal law prohibits the distribution of obscene adult pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops, through the mail, and by common carrier. The U.S. Supreme Court has also repeatedly upheld obscenity laws against First Amendment challenges, explaining that obscenity is not protected speech. Even so, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) refuses to enforce existing federal obscenity laws. From the time Obama took office in 2008, no enforcement actions against illegal obscenity have been initiated by DOJ, and in 2011 former Attorney General Eric Holder dismantled the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force. All girls, boys, women, and men have a natural human dignity and thus a right to live lives free from sexual exploitation. All pornography is degrading, dehumanizing, exploitive, and a violation of this right. All pornography is a serial attack on human dignity, identity and worth. NCOSE exists to make society aware of pornography’s many harms, to equip individuals and families to overcome and protect against those harms, and to advocate that all laws defending the right to be free from pornography are vigorously enforced. Our nation is now suffering from an emerging public health crisis fuelled by the widespread distribution of adult, hardcore pornography, and the Department of Justice bears a great burden of responsibility for this crisis.

Rape culture? Sure it is...and all with the complicity of the DOJ. Civilized society? Clearly not.
 
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