Cont: The Biden Presidency (4)

Aridas said:
Mmm. Putin happens to invades Ukraine while Democrats are Presidents in the US, therefore Democrats are Putin's lapdogs. Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was President, therefore Trump's not Putin's lapdog.

That's quite the argument. For it to work, one only needs to accept the obvious fallacy invoked and ignore virtually everything actually relevant to that question.

Either you're being willfully blind or you're trolling. Frankly, it doesn't really matter which when you're pushing arguments this embarrassingly bad. Should we be kind to you and just treat your posts as satire of Republicans?
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Posting historical facts that reveal certain uncomfortable truths is only considered trolling in the Liberal Leftist playbook. While the historical truth can certainly be painful for some at times, it is what it is. One cannot bend the truth to comply with their narrative, you must either accept the truth or choose to live the lie.

Chalking up Putin's invasion of Ukraine during the last two Democrat Party Presidencies as simply "bad luck" or "coincidence" during Obama and again during Biden is a textbook example of burying one's head in the sand. It's not difficult to understand. Putin takes advantage of perceived weakness. It's one of the reasons he's still in power today. Now you may not view Biden as weak as per your opinion, but in my opinion it's a safe bet Putin knows why Biden refused a cognitive exam during his last physical.
 
Or, Putin seeing how successful his election influence scheme was in 2016, and how close it came in 2020, and how the US Government was divided with a rightwing judicial, Republican House, Democratic Senate and Democratic White House, made the calculation that he could get away with it.


During Obama's administration, Putin denied it was an invasion, and it was carried out stealthfully, to avoid a US confrontation.

Now Putin is getting his election scheme going again, as if his life depended on it.

Putin needs Trump.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Posting historical facts that reveal certain uncomfortable truths
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May as well stop right there. What you posted was NOT historical facts that reveal certain uncomfortable truths, much less the uncomfortable truths that you wish to pretend they did, so everything after this in that paragraph is a pointless waste of time.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
Chalking up Putin's invasion of Ukraine during the last two Democrat Party Presidencies as simply "bad luck" or "coincidence" during Obama and again during Biden is a textbook example of burying one's head in the sand.
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This is what iteration of your eye roll worthy claim here?

For Obama, attributing that to coincidence is reasonable. That's a shorthand for the much more complex situation at hand there, of course, though, with Ukraine's efforts to not be Russia's puppet at the center of that situation. For Biden? Coincidence is not so tenable. We've gone over this repeatedly before, though, and you've never even remotely refuted how significant Trump's role in enabling Putin is. Your behavior seems far more of a textbook example of burying your head in the sand than your repeated straw man.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
It's not difficult to understand. Putin takes advantage of perceived weakness. It's one of the reasons he's still in power today. Now you may not view Biden as weak as per your opinion, but in my opinion it's a safe bet Putin knows why Biden refused a cognitive exam during his last physical.
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Well, you're at least partially on the right track. Putin does take advantage of perceived weakness... like he took advantage of Trump's weakness throughout Trump's Presidency. Trump repeatedly took action to weaken the various deterrents that had been in place to help prevent Putin's aggression and has repeatedly been quite clear that he prefers to side with Putin. With Trump at the head, the Republican Party policy has rather dramatically switched from anti-Russia hawks to pro-Russia surrender monkeys.

Biden's great sin was helping to restore defenses that Trump tried to break. Putin tried to slip in and score an extremely quick victory within three days for internal Russian politics reasons before Trump's damage to the deterrents was undone. He failed, but luckily, he apparently has willfully blind people like you to fight for the surrender monkeys to take control on his behalf with embarrassing stupid arguments that totally ignore anything actually relevant.

Alternately, of course, it could just be that you really, really hate the Republican Party and think that posing as a thoroughly dishonest cultist is a way to help rally support against them.
 
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Aridas said:
ChrisBFRPKY said:
It's not difficult to understand. Putin takes advantage of perceived weakness. It's one of the reasons he's still in power today. Now you may not view Biden as weak as per your opinion, but in my opinion it's a safe bet Putin knows why Biden refused a cognitive exam during his last physical.
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Well, you're at least partially on the right track. Putin does take advantage of perceived weakness... like he took advantage of Trump's weakness throughout Trump's Presidency. Trump repeatedly took action to weaken the various deterrents that had been in place to help prevent Putin's aggression and has repeatedly been quite clear that he prefers to side with Putin. With Trump at the head, the Republican Party policy has rather dramatically switched from anti-Russian aggression hawks to pro-Russia surrender monkeys.

Biden's great sin was helping to restore defenses that Trump tried to break. Putin tried to slip in and score an extremely quick victory within three days for internal Russian politics reasons before Trump's damage to the deterrents was undone. He failed, but luckily, he apparently has willfully blind people like you to fight on his behalf with embarrassing stupid arguments that totally ignore anything actually relevant.
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Yep. You nailed it Aridas.

I agree with Chris's contention that Putin may not have invaded Ukraine if Trump remained in power. But not because Biden was weak. On the contrary. He did it because he was afraid of Joe Biden. Not Biden specifically, but Biden's policies.
Trump was actually assisting Putin's attempt to weaken Zelensky's leadership and have a puppet government in Ukraine. Trump was also attempting to weaken NATO such that it was so broken it would be unable to effectively respond to any Russian aggression.

Putin saw that Biden was putting the alliance back together. Strengthening our alliances in Europe. He saw the opportunity of controlling Ukraine slipping away and gambled on a quick takeover.

Putin could give a crap about some phony cognitive test. He cares about European and American support of Ukraine. Our weapons, our KH-11 satellites, a Western bloc of nations telling him no.

The narrative that Biden is weak is silly. It has been Biden's tenacity and diplomatic skills that Putin fears.

Putin isn't afraid of Trump because Trump is his bitch. Putin has invested hundreds of millions of dollars trying to put Trump in power. Why wouldn't he? It's a lot cheaper to buy a President than it is to fight a war against the West.
 
Yup. Putin doesn't want to invade Ukraine, he wants to control Ukraine.

With Trump in the White House Putin thought he could more easily control Ukraine because he had his own personal yes man preventing support of Ukraine. The less that America, and by extention the West and NATO support Ukraine the better for putin to weaken Ukraine and the Zelenskyy government. With someone who isn't a Putin fanboy in the house, he has to invade. He doesn't want to do this, but he would rather that than lose his chance of controlling Ukraine, and because Obama and Biden are not Putin fanboy, he realised that he would need to actually fight.

Honestly anyone who doesn't understand the very very basic political reality of that is either desperately naive or incredibly stupid.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Certain repubilcan operatives and outlets made allegations that illegal materials were found on the laptop hard drive. From what I can remember the alleged materials were on the image of the hard drive given to investigators to prove its authenticity but datestamp markers* on these materials showed they couldn't have gotten on the laptop when in Hunter Biden's possession.

That kind of thing is typical of an FSB frame-up operation.

*Not the stuff you'd see on a cursory lookup through the OS.
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What are these supposed illegal materials? From what I can tell, Hunter Biden has done a pretty good job of incriminating himself over various media. No conspiracy is required.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I disagree. I think this was just an attempt by a self-proclaimed Catholic to have God clear the brain fog from an 81 year old stroke survivor with a miracle.
I think the Catholic opinion is likely that the Pope is kinda magical.

I genuinely hope it helps with the gibberish and volume control issues.
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Aren't most members of a religion "self-proclaimed"? Biden has been a life-long, every Sunday mass attending Catholic.

On the other hand, you have "self-proclaimed Christian" Trump who refers to Second Corinthians as "Two Corinthians " and, when asked what are "one or two of your most favorite Bible verses", answered "I wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. You know, when I talk about the Bible, it's very personal, so I don't want to get into verses. The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

In the same interview, when asked if he is "an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy," Trump answers, "Probably equal."

When Trump was asked by a viewer during a Fox & Friends interview, “What’s your relationship with God like, and how do you pray?" this was Trump's response:

“OK, so I think it is good. I do very well with the evangelicals. I love the evangelicals. And I have more people saying they pray for me ― I can’t even believe it. They are so committed, and they are so believing. They say, ‘Sir, you’re going to be OK. I pray for you every night.’ I mean, everybody, almost ― I can’t say everybody, but almost everybody that sees me, they say it.”

His personal relationship with God appears to be how many votes he gets from evangelicals.

My advice, Chris, is don't criticize Biden's faith when you support Trump whose only faith is power and money and the only God he prays to is himself. It doesn't work for you.
 
This thread could be used in a textbook under the chapter titled "Projection in Politics: From a Defensive Psychological Behavior to a Political Strategy."
 
Remember when Republicans agreed that Russia was an adversary/enemy of the USA? That was back before Obama. As soon as Putin said bad things about the black POTUS, Republicans decided that Russia was their friend.
 
Stacyhs said:
Aren't most members of a religion "self-proclaimed"? Biden has been a life-long, every Sunday mass attending Catholic.

On the other hand, you have "self-proclaimed Christian" Trump who refers to Second Corinthians as "Two Corinthians " and, when asked what are "one or two of your most favorite Bible verses", answered "I wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. You know, when I talk about the Bible, it's very personal, so I don't want to get into verses. The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

In the same interview, when asked if he is "an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy," Trump answers, "Probably equal."

When Trump was asked by a viewer during a Fox & Friends interview, “What’s your relationship with God like, and how do you pray?" this was Trump's response:

“OK, so I think it is good. I do very well with the evangelicals. I love the evangelicals. And I have more people saying they pray for me ― I can’t even believe it. They are so committed, and they are so believing. They say, ‘Sir, you’re going to be OK. I pray for you every night.’ I mean, everybody, almost ― I can’t say everybody, but almost everybody that sees me, they say it.”

His personal relationship with God appears to be how many votes he gets from evangelicals.

My advice, Chris, is don't criticize Biden's faith when you support Trump whose only faith is power and money and the only God he prays to is himself. It doesn't work for you.
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Biden claims he is a Catholic that supports and condones abortion. If true, that seems to be at odds with the religious view of the Catholic Church. It's merely a testament of his character whether he actually follows the religion he claims to practice or not. A Catholic that supports abortion is akin to a follower of the Hindu religion that supports lunch at Arby's.

I don't know why you would bring up Trump in this thread, but it's a fair point and you may be surprised to find that I would argue Donald Trump does NOT follow any religion whatsoever and his claims otherwise would be akin to Biden's as being Catholic. (Unless perhaps one could make a case for Populism as a religion these days then yea, Trump fits)

The problem is since we can't know the personal thoughts of either man, we can't argue what we don't know. We can argue on what we see and what has been demonstrated. Trump does align with certain family value goals and his pro-Life, anti-woke "policy stance" rings true with many on the Right. Which is likely the reason several Christian religious groups support him. In truth neither candidate appears to align with religion in their personal lives and such claims are only intended to garner VOTES. :thumbsup:
 
Aridas said:
May as well stop right there. What you posted was NOT historical facts that reveal certain uncomfortable truths, much less the uncomfortable truths that you wish to pretend they did, so everything after this in that paragraph is a pointless waste of time.



This is what iteration of your eye roll worthy claim here?

For Obama, attributing that to coincidence is reasonable. That's a shorthand for the much more complex situation at hand there, of course, though, with Ukraine's efforts to not be Russia's puppet at the center of that situation. For Biden? Coincidence is not so tenable. We've gone over this repeatedly before, though, and you've never even remotely refuted how significant Trump's role in enabling Putin is. Your behavior seems far more of a textbook example of burying your head in the sand than your repeated straw man.



Well, you're at least partially on the right track. Putin does take advantage of perceived weakness... like he took advantage of Trump's weakness throughout Trump's Presidency. Trump repeatedly took action to weaken the various deterrents that had been in place to help prevent Putin's aggression and has repeatedly been quite clear that he prefers to side with Putin. With Trump at the head, the Republican Party policy has rather dramatically switched from anti-Russia hawks to pro-Russia surrender monkeys.

Biden's great sin was helping to restore defenses that Trump tried to break. Putin tried to slip in and score an extremely quick victory within three days for internal Russian politics reasons before Trump's damage to the deterrents was undone. He failed, but luckily, he apparently has willfully blind people like you to fight for the surrender monkeys to take control on his behalf with embarrassing stupid arguments that totally ignore anything actually relevant.

Alternately, of course, it could just be that you really, really hate the Republican Party and think that posing as a thoroughly dishonest cultist is a way to help rally support against them.
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One would have to be the King of Fools to believe Ukraine could in any way defeat Russia, a nuclear power with Putin's finger on the button. The Russia/Ukraine conflict will either end with negotiation or continue with US Troops on the ground, then end in Russian victory after several years of US losses. The more the US gets involved the likelihood increases that Russia will bring the war closer to US soil. No thanks.

Fear sells and the Democrat Party is great at furthering their agenda by selling fear to promote it. The fact is the USSR was a heavy hitting Communist Regime back in the day, but they were defeated by Republican policy decades ago. Russia is no longer the USSR and no longer a credible threat to Europe. In fact 3 of the 50 US states have a larger GDP than Russia. (Look it up)

So, Political posturing and warmongering are on the ballot. Can Biden end these wars with negotiation? Has he tried? How many calls or visits has he made to speak with Putin? Any? Is the word "Don't" a viable foreign policy?

Republicans have Warhawks too. I find them just as distasteful as the Democrat versions.

If we're going to share opinions, I believe you fear that Trump will end these conflicts without furthering war. Trump will further demonstrate the Democrat endless wars philosophy is needlessly destroying the World and needlessly killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. Trump will prove Biden could have done the same but chose not to. There's no need to fear, that's exactly what will happen if Trump is elected. Please feel free to save this comment for review later after the multiple new wars are ended.
 
Most of the American Catholics I know support birth control and at least some level of legal abortion. Biden would be an outlier if he wasn't pro-choice.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
One would have to be the King of Fools to believe Ukraine could in any way defeat Russia, a nuclear power with Putin's finger on the button. The Russia/Ukraine conflict will either end with negotiation or continue with US Troops on the ground, then end in Russian victory after several years of US losses. The more the US gets involved the likelihood increases that Russia will bring the war closer to US soil. No thanks.

Fear sells and the Democrat Party is great at furthering their agenda by selling fear to promote it. The fact is the USSR was a heavy hitting Communist Regime back in the day, but they were defeated by Republican policy decades ago. Russia is no longer the USSR and no longer a credible threat to Europe. In fact 3 of the 50 US states have a larger GDP than Russia. (Look it up)

So, Political posturing and warmongering are on the ballot. Can Biden end these wars with negotiation? Has he tried? How many calls or visits has he made to speak with Putin? Any? Is the word "Don't" a viable foreign policy?

Republicans have Warhawks too. I find them just as distasteful as the Democrat versions.

If we're going to share opinions, I believe you fear that Trump will end these conflicts without furthering war. Trump will further demonstrate the Democrat endless wars philosophy is needlessly destroying the World and needlessly killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. Trump will prove Biden could have done the same but chose not to. There's no need to fear, that's exactly what will happen if Trump is elected. Please feel free to save this comment for review later after the multiple new wars are ended.
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So, Russia isn't nearly as powerful as it's Soviet predecessor, but will win in Ukraine after spinning it's wheels for two years, even after the US military gets directly involved?

On top of this, Trump will somehow end the war peacefully? What exactly do you think he will do? Trump is Vlad's lapdog, not the other way around.

Also, the "Democrat endless wars philosophy?" I'm not going to claim that Obama did anything to help get us out of any wars, but do you happen to remember who got us involved in Iraq and Afghanistan to begin with?
 
CarbShark said:
Or, Putin seeing how successful his election influence scheme was in 2016, and how close it came in 2020, and how the US Government was divided with a rightwing judicial, Republican House, Democratic Senate and Democratic White House, made the calculation that he could get away with it.


During Obama's administration, Putin denied it was an invasion, and it was carried out stealthfully, to avoid a US confrontation.

Now Putin is getting his election scheme going again, as if his life depended on it.

Putin needs Trump.
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I would suggest the more accurate statement would be "The Democrats need a candidate." You can't actually tie Biden's failures and age related decline to any plot designed by Putin. Biden is simply getting older and more people realize a vote for Biden is in reality a vote for Kamala Harris.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Biden claims he is a Catholic that supports and condones abortion. If true, that seems to be at odds with the religious view of the Catholic Church. It's merely a testament of his character whether he actually follows the religion he claims to practice or not. A Catholic that supports abortion is akin to a follower of the Hindu religion that supports lunch at Arby's.

I don't know why you would bring up Trump in this thread, but it's a fair point and you may be surprised to find that I would argue Donald Trump does NOT follow any religion whatsoever and his claims otherwise would be akin to Biden's as being Catholic. (Unless perhaps one could make a case for Populism as a religion these days then yea, Trump fits)

The problem is since we can't know the personal thoughts of either man, we can't argue what we don't know. We can argue on what we see and what has been demonstrated. Trump does align with certain family value goals and his pro-Life, anti-woke "policy stance" rings true with many on the Right. Which is likely the reason several Christian religious groups support him. In truth neither candidate appears to align with religion in their personal lives and such claims are only intended to garner VOTES. :thumbsup:
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This sentiment is mostly revealing about you, not Biden.

As in the famous trick question for politicians:" if someone raped your daughter, would you not want that person killed quickly and mercilessly, instead of giving them endless time in prison, legal support, chance for parole and early release?"

And the answer is:" of course I would, which is why I don't get to make that decision, a judge and jury are; I'm too close to the case".
Same with a Catholic in the White House and abortion: he can be personally against it, but as he is the President of everyone, not just anti-abortion Catholics, he doesn't get to make that decision, Congress is.

Only a Trump Type thinks that everyone will want what they want, so they should be able to do whatever they want.
 
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TheGoldcountry said:
So, Russia isn't nearly as powerful as it's Soviet predecessor, but will win in Ukraine after spinning it's wheels for two years, even after the US military gets directly involved?

On top of this, Trump will somehow end the war peacefully? What exactly do you think he will do? Trump is Vlad's lapdog, not the other way around.

Also, the "Democrat endless wars philosophy?" I'm not going to claim that Obama did anything to help get us out of any wars, but do you happen to remember who got us involved in Iraq and Afghanistan to begin with?
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Russia still has nuclear weapons. More importantly Russia has Putin in charge of those weapons. If the Kremlin was in danger of being captured by Ukranian forces would Putin launch? What do you think? I think he would.

Yes I remember the Republican party Warhawks as well as the current Democrat Warhawks, thankfully most of the Republicans are now out of Government service but a few like Lindsey Graham remain (unfortunately). I also remember how angry everyone in the US was after the 9-11 attack and at that time about every US citizen demanded blood and retribution. (I call it "The Pearl Harbor effect") I was one of them, yet I spoke with many of the enraged that absolutely demanded nothing less than the nuclear destruction of Mecca. So I count my support for retribution as being moderate at the time.

It was educational too. We learned that US intelligence agencies lie. Some seem to have forgotten that lesson.

How will these wars be ended? While I make no claim to have a crystal ball, I suspect negotiation would be a good place to start. One can't hope to solve conflict without communication. When did Biden last speak with Putin? Early 2022. Nothing since, why? Why has the White House made it a point to avoid Putin (at the G-20)? Why does the Media kill any story related to the Ukrainian Nazi problem? Granted it may not be as much of a big deal as Putin portrays it to be, but it is a thing and one should NOT ignore it.
 
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