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Transwomen are not Women - Part 14

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Samson said:
Our party policy promotes the following ideas

At the Annual Conference, will discuss and vote on issues such as:

Ø campaigning for a ban on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for under-18s

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Gulliver Foyle said:
1) Leading to increased levels of mental ill health, suicidal ideation andeven suicide among trans identifying children..
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Much less likely if they are actually treated for the mental illness they are suffering, rather than be fed a cocktail of dangerous drugs, the long term effects of which we know nothing about yet, and the effects which we do know about have shown themselves to be irreversible.
 
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It’s now confirmed that Lia Thomas will not be allowed to compete at the Paris Olympics.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/olymp...d/news-story/4fa4b3774226f6a7c932631836f1c7cd

In some ways this is a pity. With the times Australian women swimmers are posting (breaking world records in trials) he would have been left in their wake.
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OK, but that would strengthen the case for him and others like him, because he would we able to point and say, "Look, see? Being a male with a fully intact and fully functional wedding tackle in female swimming is not an advantage."

Of course the reality is this is not the point. He is nowhere near good enough to compete with top-level female swimmers, but the TRA lobby don't care about facts - such as the fact that ANY male in the top 100 ranked swimmers over 100m, 200m, 400m would utterly blitz a field of the best females on the planet.
 
smartcooky said:
OK, but that would strengthen the case for him and others like him, because he would we able to point and say, "Look, see? Being a male with a fully intact and fully functional wedding tackle in female swimming is not an advantage."

Of course the reality is this is not the point. He is nowhere near good enough to compete with top-level female swimmers, but the TRA lobby don't care about facts - such as the fact that ANY male in the top 100 ranked swimmers over 100m, 200m, 400m would utterly blitz a field of the best females on the planet.
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My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, though it would be good to see him beaten by far better women, other than the college students he has been beating up. But you are correct.
 
An essay published in Nature, which gives more insight into the mindset of the pro-Trans side of things.


Beyond the trans/cis binary: introducing new terms will enrich gender research



We need terms such as ‘gender modality’ that are flexible enough to capture the nuances of human experience but pragmatic enough to serve science.


“Are you transgender?” Participating in a study for their public-health class, neither Alex nor Luna knew how to answer. Alex uses they/them pronouns and identifies as agender. They are also among a growing number of young people who have been raised in a gender-neutral manner: their parents did not refer to them as a boy or a girl until they were old enough to choose for themselves. Whatever genitals Alex was born with is not common knowledge. If you are agender and were never assigned a gender, does that make you transgender?
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01719-9
 
Germany seems to have enriched gender research without having to invent new terms:
A new long-term study from Germany suggests that the majority of young people diagnosed with gender identity disorders do not continue to identify as such over time. The study examined insurance data over five years, revealing that more than half of young people aged 5-24 across every age subgroup diagnosed with "gender identity disorder" no longer had the diagnosis after five years.

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One of the strengths of this study is its comprehensive collection of outpatient billing data for all legally insured persons in Germany, providing a large and representative sample. Additionally, the long observation period from 2013 to 2022 offers valuable insights into long-term trends and changes in diagnosis rates.

https://www.buttonslives.news/p/new-study-most-german-youth-outgrow​

The study itself (German):

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/2...-Deutschland-Haeufigkeit-und-Trends-2013-2022

As another blogger quipped, "quick, cut off their tits before they change their minds."
 
theprestige said:
...the majority of young people diagnosed with gender identity disorders do not continue to identify as such over time. The study examined insurance data over five years, revealing that more than half of young people aged 5-24 across every age subgroup diagnosed with "gender identity disorder" no longer had the diagnosis after five years.


As another blogger quipped, "quick, cut off their tits before they change their minds."
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Sadly that quip is close to the truth of this tragedy.

Too often, young people are being convinced by TRAs and their enablers to undertake treatments with drugs, the effects of which are irreversible, and the long term ramifications of which are unknown, and in some cases, to undergo irreversible, life-altering surgery before they are old enough to make informed, mature decisions.
 
theprestige said:
Germany seems to have enriched gender research without having to invent new terms:
A new long-term study from Germany suggests that the majority of young people diagnosed with gender identity disorders do not continue to identify as such over time. The study examined insurance data over five years, revealing that more than half of young people aged 5-24 across every age subgroup diagnosed with "gender identity disorder" no longer had the diagnosis after five years.

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One of the strengths of this study is its comprehensive collection of outpatient billing data for all legally insured persons in Germany, providing a large and representative sample. Additionally, the long observation period from 2013 to 2022 offers valuable insights into long-term trends and changes in diagnosis rates.

https://www.buttonslives.news/p/new-study-most-german-youth-outgrow​

The study itself (German):

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/2...-Deutschland-Haeufigkeit-und-Trends-2013-2022

As another blogger quipped, "quick, cut off their tits before they change their minds."
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About 94.6% of the people who suffer from acute appendicitis in the US cease to identify as having it within 2 years. That totally implies that they didn't need medical treatment, does it?
 
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Shadowdweller said:
About 94.6% of the people who suffer from acute appendicitis in the US cease to identify as having it within 2 years. That totally implies that they didn't need medical treatment, does it?
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That is what we call a false equivalence fallacy.

Appendicitis is an actual medical condition. It is potentially fatal if left untreated and proceeds to the point that the appendix bursts, in which case, the condition becomes an emergency, and the treatment involves surgery to remove the appendix, after which the patient usually recovers fully and suffers no long term effects.

This is unlike gender dysphoria, which is a mental condition not a medical one, that is not fatal, and in which the "treatment" is apparently to pretend its all perfectly normal, to validate the patient's feelings and to prescribe a drug cocktail, the effects of which are irreversible and unknown in the long term, and in some cases, to undergo irreversible, life-altering surgery. Should the patient's gender dysphoria disappear, its too late - the damage has already been done, and that damage remains with the victim for the rest of their life.

If you treated appendicitis using the same logic as treating gender dysphoria, you will very likely end up with a dead patient.
 
Yes, we'd need to see those numbers broken down by the type of medical treatment, if any, received between the initial diagnosis and that diagnosis no longer being appropriate before we can interpret those figures reliably. I don't know if the actual study includes that information as I don't speak German.

I'm becoming increasingly concerned, however, that what we are seeing here is the early stages of the next major medical scandal. I can imagine how incredible it might seem, in 10 or 20 years time, that a policy of medically and surgically treating healthy teenagers would be pursued based on an evidence base which, according to the Cass report, is practically non existent.
 
Pixel42 said:
Yes, we'd need to see those numbers broken down by the type of medical treatment, if any, received between the initial diagnosis and that diagnosis no longer being appropriate before we can interpret those figures reliably. I don't know if the actual study includes that information as I don't speak German.

I'm becoming increasingly concerned, however, that what we are seeing here is the early stages of the next major medical scandal. I can imagine how incredible it might seem, in 10 or 20 years time, that a policy of medically and surgically treating healthy teenagers would be pursued based on an evidence base which, according to the Cass report, is practically non existent.
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Indeed!

It was actually in Germany in the 1950's that German pharmaceutical company Chemie Grünenthal marketed a product called Contergan as a medication to treat pneumonia, colds and flu and as an oral medication used to treat a number of cancers and many skin disorders. I twas also marketed as a sedative for relieving the symptoms morning sickness, and deemed safe to take for pregnant women.

Contergan was the commercial name for Thalidomide... and the rest is history. For those too young to know about the Thalidomide Scandal.. here's your primer...

https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/medicine/thalidomide#the-thalidomide-scandal
 
I was actually thinking of this, more recent, scandal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_blood_scandal_in_the_United_Kingdom

The contaminated blood scandal, also known as the infected blood scandal, is a British medical scandal in which a large number of people were infected with hepatitis C and HIV, as a result of receiving contaminated blood or contaminated clotting factor products. Many of the products were imported from the US, and distributed to patients by the National Health Service throughout the 1970s and 1980s.[2][3] Most recipients had haemophilia or had received a blood transfusion following childbirth or surgery.[4] It has been estimated that more than 30,000 patients received contaminated blood, resulting in the deaths of at least 3,000 people.[3] In July 2017, Prime Minister Theresa May announced an independent public inquiry into the scandal, for which she was widely praised as successive governments going back to the 1980s had refused such an inquiry.[5] May stated that "the victims and their families who have suffered so much pain and hardship deserve answers as to how this could possibly have happened."[6] The final report was published in seven volumes on 20 May 2024, concluding that the scandal could have been largely avoided, patients were knowingly exposed to "unacceptable risks", and that doctors, the government and NHS tried to cover-up what happened by "hiding the truth".[7][8]
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Shadowdweller said:
About 94.6% of the people who suffer from acute appendicitis in the US cease to identify as having it within 2 years. That totally implies that they didn't need medical treatment, does it?
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I am open to the claim that the Germans have figured out a fairly effective cure for gender dysphoria in children. Avatar bet says the cure is watchful waiting.
 
Pixel42 said:
I was actually thinking of this, more recent, scandal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_blood_scandal_in_the_United_Kingdom
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One big difference between the two is that the blood scandal was a procedural problem. People were being lax about the safety and health of their patients. They knew what they were doing was unethical, but chose to do it anyway.

In the case of trans-affirming care for minors, the problem is ideological. People are doing what they believe is right. Because they have been captured by sociopolitical woo, and allowed it to replace medical ethics in their hearts.
 
I think in the end, giving kids surgery and drugs on account of gender dismorphia will be seen as something akin to icepick lobotomies or sterilizing retarded people. I do think the proponents think they are doing the right thing.
 
ahhell said:
I think in the end, giving kids surgery and drugs on account of gender dismorphia will be seen as something akin to icepick lobotomies or sterilizing retarded people. I do think the proponents think they are doing the right thing.
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Thinks like this make me think human history is a flat circle, and that every generation is going to have its own baffling screwups that you'd think we'd have learned to avoid since the last time.
 
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