NZ Politics, the Luxon Era

[Gulliver Foyle]

Our party policy promotes the following ideas

At the Annual Conference, will discuss and vote on issues such as:

Ø campaigning for a ban on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for under-18s

Ø lobbying for support services for detransitioners, and for women who want to leave gangs and religious cults

Ø opposing inclusion of “gender identity” in legislation

Ø campaigning for a ban on “rough sex” as a defence in murder cases

Ø raising awareness of the damaging effects of “social transitioning” in schools

Ø calling for reform of the Working for Families package

Ø advocating for effective policies to deliver pay equity

Ø addressing inequity of retirement savings for women

I'll just lay out the consequences of your wishes:

1) Leading to increased levels of mental ill health, suicidal ideation andeven suicide among trans identifying children.

2) Support that's already available for the tiny minority of people who had some form of transition and want to change back.

3) Denying fundamental human rights to people because you personally hate them. We once fought a war against a man who bent his whole country in that direction. No thanks.

4) This one is sensible. But somehow I don't think the discriminatory society you want to usher in is voing to enact stuff like this (Pro-tip: discrimination against a specific group rarely stops at that group)

5) Like those who transition being bullied, harrassed and discriminated against for no good reason by people like yourself? Because of Enoch Bourke and his hate filled antics, I have been made well aware of the negative consequences of transitioning. At least Ireland are doing something about them.

6) Don't know enough about the NZ selfare system to talk about this.

7) Again sensible. But see my response to 4 to see the likely response of your fellow travellers to such policies.

8) See 4 and 7. The simple fact of the matter is that if you want equality in some areas, fight for equality in all areas.

 

[smartcooky]

I'll just lay out the consequences of your wishes:

1) Leading to increased levels of mental ill health, suicidal ideation andeven suicide among trans identifying children.

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Replied to in this thread...

https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14340204#post14340204


... as the subject is off topic here (which IIRC we have already been warned about).

 

[The Atheist]

Meanwhile Tamihere bleats about racism, nothing to see here. The problem for them, is that there are too many complainants/witnesses to what they did.

The sickening thing is, whatever happens will be blamed on Pakeha entitlement and will weaponised by those exact same people.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

The sickening thing is, whatever happens will be blamed on Pakeha entitlement and will weaponised by those exact same people.

Almost as sickening as the ingrained racism widely practiced by entitled Pakeha.

 

[The Atheist]

Almost as sickening as the ingrained racism widely practiced by entitled Pakeha.

Bollocks.

Did you watch the video of the wife of Te Paati Maori leader, Rawiri Waitit, and daughter of President of the same party, John Tamihere?

Here it is again, because I can't believe you'd entertain that comment after seeing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDLdbiyKFk

This is the voice of Maori in Parliament, and it's an absolute disgrace. Any other party even remotely attached to that kind of **** would be running for cover, but because it's the Maori Party, it's only Samson's mates on the far right that are talking about it.
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Meanwhile, Dame Cindy has snagged a neat little gig in Washington DC.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/polit...s-quo-of-politics/EBSYGUXIXVHYBIP3GGTZRZMEUE/

“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is the embodiment of the leadership style the programme will instil in those who participate,” CAP Action Fund chief executive Patrick Gaspard said.

Pure gold. Ignorance is strength.

 

[The Atheist]

Captain Obvious still writing about NZ:

Renting is expensive. Well, duh!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350317316/renting-very-expensive-nzs-global-distinction

 

[smartcooky]

Almost as sickening as the ingrained racism widely practiced by entitled Pakeha.

Bollocks.

Did you watch the video of the wife of Te Paati Maori leader, Rawiri Waitit, and daughter of President of the same party, John Tamihere?

Here it is again, because I can't believe you'd entertain that comment after seeing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDLdbiyKFk

This is the voice of Maori in Parliament, and it's an absolute disgrace. Any other party even remotely attached to that kind of **** would be running for cover, but because it's the Maori Party, it's only Samson's mates on the far right that are talking about it.

Indeed, you'll go a long way before you'll find anything more blatantly racist in NZ than the way Māori Tribes and their entitled members, such as the two you mention, as well as the Harawera family of scumbags and misfits, treat the tribeless Urban Māori.

If you are an Urban Māori, you are pretty much disenfranchised from any Treaty claims and settlements. Iwi do nothing to help those who live outside their tribal home and have fallen on hard times. What this pretty much boils down to is that you have to prove your bloodline, i.e. prove you are a blood-member of a tribe, and socialize/associate within that tribe.

How ******* racist is that!?

 

[lionking]

Indeed, you'll go a long way before you'll find anything more blatantly racist in NZ than the way Māori Tribes and their entitled members, such as the two you mention, as well as the Harawera family of scumbags and misfits, treat the tribeless Urban Māori.

If you are an Urban Māori, you are pretty much disenfranchised from any Treaty claims and settlements. Iwi do nothing to help those who live outside their tribal home and have fallen on hard times. What this pretty much boils down to is that you have to prove your bloodline, i.e. prove you are a blood-member of a tribe, and socialize/associate within that tribe.

How ******* racist is that!?

Wow. She makes the most radical aboriginal leader sound like the voice of reason.

It sounds to me that people like her seriously think that if Maori ran the whole country paradise on earth will surely follow. Rather than the place turning into a third world hellhole.

 

[The Atheist]

... the Harawera family ...

That's the one that astonishes me. Hone is a violent piece of ****, just like his mother was.

It was Maori mental health patients they were assaulting and abusing - clearly Maori see mental illness as some kind of evil that needs to be punished, because no sane group of people would have allowed them to whitewash that history.

It sounds to me that people like her seriously think that if Maori ran the whole country paradise on earth will surely follow. Rather than the place turning into a third world hellhole.

That's the funny part - they genuinely believe they're superior to everyone else and would make everything better. You want the true Noble Savage? Look no further than Maori, who didn't practice violence until white people came here.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Bollocks.

Did you watch the video of the wife of Te Paati Maori leader, Rawiri Waitit, and daughter of President of the same party, John Tamihere?

I have now.

Top comments:-

"This what happens when you live a privileged life and realising the gravy train is drying up"

"It's amazing what a face tattoo and bone or stone carving around your throat can do for your IQ."

"She needs to go back on her meds."

"The only reason you can talk this way is because of the British system your ancestors gratefully accepted"

"Dont remember her saying anything about sovereignty when the Maori Party were in lock step with the govt during covid when the govt actually admitted to creating second class citizens"

"This is the legacy of the Ardern government where the approach was to shower maori with gifts and tell them how special they are. The party is over and we are all the same again."

"Lol this lady is speaking English and shes whiter than me"

"Maori have been given every opportunity to succeed, some have. The rest hit the self destruct button and blame their failures on the ' colonizers '. They didn't have the wheel till the British arrived. If it had been the Spanish, Maori would have been exterminated. How much money have they been given over the years and where did it go? She should be looking closer to home."

Most of the commenters don't appear to have watched the whole video, or if they did they didn't understand it.

This is the voice of Maori in Parliament, and it's an absolute disgrace. Any other party even remotely attached to that kind of **** would be running for cover, but because it's the Maori Party, it's only Samson's mates on the far right that are talking about it.

Of course it's only the far right who are 'talking' about it. But don't worry. Many more are doing it in private, amongst those who share their racist views (and, unfortunately for those of us who don't, sometimes among us too).

Like I said, sickening. But what's more sickening is that you don't even recognize it.

 

[The Atheist]

I have now.

Top comments:-

How typical that an apolgist would go looking in the comments - what the **** did you think the comments were going to be?

Extremism draws extremism. Well played for showing your true colours.

Like I said, sickening. But what's more sickening is that you don't even recognize it.

More total bollocks. Ask a Maori who isn't a radical what they think of it. Some of us live with them.

 

[smartcooky]

How typical that an apolgist would go looking in the comments - what the **** did you think the comments were going to be?

Extremism draws extremism. Well played for showing your true colours.

Remember Mike Smith, the Māori activist who tried to cut down the Monterey pine tree on One Tree Hill?

Well, I will never forget the interview in 1995 with him on TVNZ, when at the time, there was a rumour about a Nazi war criminal hiding in NZ. Smith was asked about it, and he said something like "Meh, that all happened 50 years ago, why are we bothering... forgive and forget I say". I remember being struck by the juxtaposition of him being aware enough to know that WW2 was 50 years previously, and at the same time, showing a complete lack of self-awareness that he was dismissing out of hand, the greatest war crime and the worst act of genocide the world has ever seen because it "all happened 50 years ago", while protesting about some arguably minor injustices dating back to over 150 years previously!

More total bollocks. Ask a Maori who isn't a radical what they think of it. Some of us live with them.

Indeed, I know a quite number of Māori... neighbours, work colleagues, team-mates, drinking buddies, people I grew up with as a kid... etc. From talking to them, it is abundantly clear that every single one of them is ashamed and embarrassed at the antics of people like Mike Smith, Tamihere and the TPMP

 

[The Atheist]

Remember Mike Smith, the Māori activist who tried to cut down the Monterey pine tree on One Tree Hill?

Remember him? I wanted to cut him in half.

The greatest irony is that he's suing the government for not combating climate change.

Well, I will never forget the interview in 1995 with him on TVNZ, when at the time, there was a rumour about a Nazi war criminal hiding in NZ. Smith was asked about it, and he said something like "Meh, that all happened 50 years ago, why are we bothering... forgive and forget I say". I remember being struck by the juxtaposition of him being aware enough to know that WW2 was 50 years previously, and at the same time, showing a complete lack of self-awareness that he was dismissing out of hand, the greatest war crime and the worst act of genocide the world has ever seen because it "all happened 50 years ago", while protesting about some arguably minor injustices dating back to over 150 years previously!

They've all changed their tune this century - did you see Tamahere's comments from 20 years ago?

They're a joke. The only hope is that Maori who aren't idiots vote that rabble out of Parliament.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Remember him? I wanted to cut him in half.

The greatest irony is that he's suing the government for not combating climate change.

This reminds me of the Australian film Epsilon

A young female from the planet Epsilon is teleported to Earth by mistake. She arrives naked in a desert, but is found by a surveyor who gives her some clothes. When she finds out she is on Earth, she is upset and informs the surveyor that other alien races consider humans to be failures that suffer from carelessness and greed and their habit of creating pollution is especially frowned upon. He at first thinks she is crazy, but she demonstrates the ability to transport herself and the surveyor instantly to any location and manipulate time. She takes him on a journey around the world, showing him the damage people have done to the environment. After several harsh lessons, like when she locates and cuts down his favorite tree, he begins to see her point of view.

What's isn't pointed out here is that it was the only tree around in a parched landscape. He gets upset because she chopped down the last tree - like it's OK to destroy a forest so long as you leave one standing. In reality that one tree was nothing, the real damage had already been done.

At the end of the movie he becomes an environmental activist. Thanks to his efforts, air pollution was eliminated and people were able to see the stars at night.

 

[smartcooky]

This reminds me of the Australian film EpsilonWhat's isn't pointed out here is that it was the only tree around in a parched landscape. He gets upset because she chopped down the last tree - like it's OK to destroy a forest so long as you leave one standing. In reality that one tree was nothing, the real damage had already been done.

At the end of the movie he becomes an environmental activist. Thanks to his efforts, air pollution was eliminated and people were able to see the stars at night.

What is this? Appeal to Hollywood, or whatever the is the Australian equivalent?

 

[arthwollipot]

What is this? Appeal to Hollywood, or whatever the is the Australian equivalent?

The first person to say "Aussiewood" gets a punch in the mouth.

 

[smartcooky]

The first person to say "Aussiewood" gets a punch in the mouth.

Give yourself an uppercut then

 

[arthwollipot]

Give yourself an uppercut then

Oh, ****.

 

[Samson]

Remember him? I wanted to cut him in half.

The greatest irony is that he's suing the government for not combating climate change.



They've all changed their tune this century - did you see Tamahere's comments from 20 years ago?

They're a joke. The only hope is that Maori who aren't idiots vote that rabble out of Parliament.

The destruction of the very aged and powerful Monterey pine on One Tree Hill is a tragedy.
Surprisingly, we had two true seedlings following the helicopter removal, and sadly I don't remember how we lost them.

 

[smartcooky]

They've all changed their tune this century - did you see Tamahere's comments from 20 years ago?

I think its called "political expediency"