General UK politics VII -Return of the Starmer

[P.J. Denyer]

The bit I find oddest about Sunak's D-Day Dodging is that the interview was done so far in advance. Putting aside the point of why do it on that specific day, why generally do an interview that far in advance anyway? Even under normal circumstances events are likely to have moved on to the point that any but the most banal statements are likely to be out of date, anything topical will no longer be and things you're saying will have been shown to.be wrong either by events or (particularly in the case of the Tories) because they were outright lies. It also leaves you in the position where you're unable to respond to current issues, potentially wasting a TV slot.

This would be a strange under normal circumstances, but during an election campaign it seems utterly bizarre.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

The thing is that one can't outflank Reform on the deranged wing. That's what Reclaim is for.*



*To be honest apart from the multimillionaire backers and the most famous proponent I haven't bothered trying to work out which is more deranged. Especially as neither are remotely interested in being truthful about their fascistic aims.

Reclaim is worse.


I mean Reform is...Just awful but reclaim is openly homophonic for example.

 

[jimbob]

Reclaim is worse.


I mean Reform is...Just awful but reclaim is openly homophonic for example.

I'm not actually sure if that is a deliberate play on words with them sounding so similar. If so, well played.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Yes...yes it was...

 

[Darat]

The bit I find oddest about Sunak's D-Day Dodging is that the interview was done so far in advance. Putting aside the point of why do it on that specific day, why generally do an interview that far in advance anyway? Even under normal circumstances events are likely to have moved on to the point that any but the most banal statements are likely to be out of date, anything topical will no longer be and things you're saying will have been shown to.be wrong either by events or (particularly in the case of the Tories) because they were outright lies. It also leaves you in the position where you're unable to respond to current issues, potentially wasting a TV slot.

This would be a strange under normal circumstances, but during an election campaign it seems utterly bizarre.

It appears he had never intended to go to the evening event, before he even called the general election. It was a blank spot on his calendar so a good place to pop it in.

The fact that even prior to the GE being called he didn't think it was important even just "for the optics" to attend shows how politically stupid he and his team are.

 

[Darat]

Yes...yes it was...

Take the win: https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14339591#post14339591

 

[jimbob]

It appears he had never intended to go to the evening event, before he even called the general election. It was a blank spot on his calendar so a good place to pop it in.

The fact that even prior to the GE being called he didn't think it was important even just "for the optics" to attend shows how politically stupid he and his team are.

It was more than that.

It seems to have been a planned snub with him only attending at all as a compromise for the French (reading the Times story I linked to above).

Which seems to be a way to declare independence from Europe. In a misguided attempt to appeal to the gammons. Fractally misguided, because that's not where elections are won, it's dangerous populism, and it actually alienates those he was trying to appeal to.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It appears he had never intended to go to the evening event, before he even called the general election. It was a blank spot on his calendar so a good place to pop it in.

The fact that even prior to the GE being called he didn't think it was important even just "for the optics" to attend shows how politically stupid he and his team are.

That doesn't explain why he would volunteer such a hostage to fortune.

 

[jeremyp]

Why would anyone care about the views of a washed-up anti-Semitic actor? One who praised the charisma of John Major...

John Major was a colossus of politics in comparison with any of the five most recent Tory prime ministers.

 

[Lothian]

John Major was a colossus of politics in comparison with any of the five most recent Tory prime ministers.

Similar to the current Prime Minister he like to get stuck into a Currie.

 

[malbui]

That doesn't explain why he would volunteer such a hostage to fortune.

We’re back to that old question of incompetence or malice. I can just about accept that the Tories are sabotaging their own campaign, but the facts are probably better explained by utter incompetence at all levels of the party.

 

[welshdean]

Here is Holden, rather convincingly explaining his 'paracute jump' to his safe space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf397hCmnZ8&ab_channel=TheTelegraph



ETA
If I was orchestrating the Labour campaign, I'd tell everyone to stay home and shut up - the Tories are giving away far more ground than Starmer could steal.

 

[Lothian]

Here is Holden, rather convincingly explaining his 'paracute jump' to his safe space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf397hCmnZ8&ab_channel=TheTelegraph



ETA
If I was orchestrating the Labour campaign, I'd tell everyone to stay home and shut up - the Tories are giving away far more ground than Starmer could steal.

Really annoying that the interviewer kept asking him about Emily Thornberry and not about him being parachuted in.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So let’s get this right, he media are not currently allowed near Sunak so cannot ask him questions and the party chairman refuses to answer questions unless they are pre-agreed ???

 

[Lothian]

The first rule of "The Parachuted into a Constituency Club....."

 

[Carrot Flower King]

So, Ed Davey is proposing to "invest" in the NHS and the care sector...

Well, Ed, can you remind us what you did between 2010 and 2015 to stop the NHS and care sector being trashed? Anything? Any little thing at all? Just a hint? Y'know, all those spending cuts? The job losses? The cuts to training places? The cuts to capital expenditure? Remember those?

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Still, at least Davey doesn't have candidaters with a history of praising Nazi-appeasement, making hugely misogynist comments and more, not like Good Old Patriotic Nige...

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I recall May doing so badly in her election that we wondered whether she was just deliberately scuppering it for some (Brexit) reason. But then Corbyn effectively said "hold my beer".

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

 

[Darat]

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

We have a section for CTs.

 

[Mojo]

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

I know the Tories like to pretend that everything that has happened over the last 14 years is Labour's fault, but...