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Maybe it's because my father was a twice-decorated WWII participant and some of his morality rubbed off on me.

Anyway, I'm assured nobody but the far right cares, and I wouldn't change my vote over it if I had one, so it's not a problem.

It's amusing how many things aren't a problem to Biden voters.

Ah, so now it's about "morality" and you have it because your dad was in WW2?

My dad was a 20 year Air Force pilot who served in Korea during that "conflict" and also flew covert missions over East Germany during the Cold War. I guess none of his "morality rubbed off on me." Seriously, dude, that is just pitiful.
And it doesn't change the fact that your outrage is based on a false interpretation.

It's sad how anyone can fall for the right-wing outrage machine's nonsense.
 
My father was a Captain in Patton's Calvary. He earned a Purple Heart and a Silver Star fighting Nazis. I clearly understood what she meant and found no offence in her comment.

Clearly none of your father's morality rubbed off on you!
 
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Maybe it's because my father was a twice-decorated WWII participant and some of his morality rubbed off on me.

Anyway, I'm assured nobody but the far right cares, and I wouldn't change my vote over it if I had one, so it's not a problem.

It's amusing how many things aren't a problem to Biden voters.

Dude, not only does nobody care, but you aren’t special for having a military veteran in your family. Jeeez, practically everyone on my dad’s side of the family were also military veterans in the army, navy and Air Force. They would probably say similar things about how easy people have it these days, which is what Clinton was saying.

She wasn’t denigrating their service at all. She was pointing out that they were making real sacrifices as opposed or people who only had to vote.

Either you are incapable of proper reading comprehension or you are dangerously incapable of understanding logic and reality or keeping your emotions in check.
 
I'm so sick of the Trump apologists who say that the comparisons to Hitler are mean and wrong...
Trump is not Hitler--he is potentially worse and the institutions that supposedly will protect us from his demagoguery are in fact aiding in its potential. The apologists are completely ignorant of basic history and psychology. They turn a blind eye as fascism takes hold, so long as it promises to feed and protect them.
Oh, and my grandfather was German born and fought against the Germans in WW1. He was gassed and it ultimately killed him as ALS.
 
Ah, so now it's about "morality" and you have it because your dad was in WW2?

No, I'm saying mine is different to other people.

Trump is not Hitler--he is potentially worse ...

And there we have it - abject insanity.

Trump was president for 4 years. How many wars did he start? How many attacks on other nations did he approve?

Aside from stacking courts with far-right lunatics, what damage did he do to ordinary Americans or the country itself?
 
She wasn’t denigrating their service at all.

You know what I find most interesting?

Outside this forum I can't find a single Democrat defending her. Every other far-right attack brings out defenders, but I can't find them this time.

Maybe my search skills aren't up to the barrage of negative comments from the right, so if you can find some Dems lambasting the right for their outrage, let me know.
 
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Maybe it's because my father was a twice-decorated WWII participant and some of his morality rubbed off on me.

Anyway, I'm assured nobody but the far right cares, and I wouldn't change my vote over it if I had one, so it's not a problem.

It's amusing how many things aren't a problem to Biden voters.

Somehow it's hard for people to calmly choose the lesser evil without rooting for their chosen candidate. People want to be in camps.
 
And there we have it - abject insanity.

Trump was president for 4 years. How many wars did he start? How many attacks on other nations did he approve?

Aside from stacking courts with far-right lunatics, what damage did he do to ordinary Americans or the country itself?

I gotta hear more. Please elaborate. Attach additional sheets if necessary.

This broken forum structure would not post my lengthy response, so I will try to be more concise, but I could go on for hours on this important subject

The reason the naive believe that Trump cannot be worse than Hitler is that they are short-sighted and think that Trump will not put a million people in gas chambers, so he can’t be that bad…

What damage did he do in his last administration? Do you have a few hours?

For starters, his failed leadership during the pandemic resulted in at least a few hundred thousand deaths from Covid. Partial proof of this comes from a comparison in mortality and rates in other countries that were not led by an idiot.

Secondly, he fatally damaged the movements for scientific progress in our country. By pulling out of the Paris accords and ignoring all future initiatives, he gave the climate denialists carte blanche to destroy any chance we have of reversing the damage being done. If you would like to know more on how AGW threatens the existence of our species, ask the people in Mexico or India right now who are dying in 120+ degree heat, or ask the species that are rapidly going extinct due to our stupidity and the leaders like Trump who support it.

But far greater damage was done to the nations populace by sharpening the political divide to suit his own narcissistic ends.
He gave voice to every sexist, racist, white supremacist, xenophobic, homophobic cretin to build his brainwashed cult, and then he used the white wing machinery to pull in a good chunk of the rest of the electorate through their fear of losing political and social power.

What you really fail to understand is that the potential Trump administration of the future will be nothing like his first term. Don’t believe me—take it from the narcissists own mouth, he will appoint only complete loyalists who will support his bid to eliminate American Democracy, squashing the free press, prosecuting his enemies, He has promised to pardon the very cult members who sought to hang his vice president for failing to do his bid by dismantling the constitution. Ask any of his former agents who he threw under the bus—ask any clinical psychologist, take him at his word because he will follow through on his threats.

If you fail to understand how the dismantling of American Democracy will be DAMAGING to the people and have strong reverberations across the globe—far more DAMAGING than anything Hitler ever accomplished, then you have not been paying attention.
 
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You know what I find most interesting?

Outside this forum I can't find a single Democrat defending her. Every other far-right attack brings out defenders, but I can't find them this time.

Dude! That's not how this thing works. You made a claim, and we are telling you you are wrong about your claim. I don't need to go scouring the internet to see what other people think before making up my mind, unlike you, it seems...

Maybe my search skills aren't up to the barrage of negative comments from the right, so if you can find some Dems lambasting the right for their outrage, let me know.

I don't care a fig for Democrats saying X, Y or Z. Who gives a toss!?

Here is your claim...

She equated giving one's life to voting. That's idiotic and wrong.
Nice of you to try to defend her when she clearly realised her own mistake and blocked replies. If she's not prepared to defend it, why are you?

And look, noted Democrat* sir drinks a lot points out that you are wrong.

*(When I say noted Democrat, that is sarcasm, by the way.)

No she didn't. She contrasted risking one's life with voting.

Indeed, she did not "equate" giving one's life to voting. She contrasted it. I find it extremely sad that you cannot recognize that for yourself but seem to think the only thing to do is go scouring the Internet to find out who is freaking out about it.

Oh look, here is noted Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden fan*, Delvo.

*(This is also sarcasm, for Chrisssakes! Delvo calls Joe Biden Genocide Joe)

The idea that you really actually do is not believable. Your claim about what she said is too obviously a lie. No English-speaker could possibly listen to somebody else highlighting how different two things are in English and really actually honestly think (s)he equated them. That just isn't among the choices to choose from in reality.

Poe was wrong or exaggerating. It is possible to take the act so far that reality could never go there and the fact that it's an act becomes obvious. Take this failure as a learning opportunity; you can fake better!

So obviously you are refusing to understand simple English and the meaning of the words used by Hillary Clinton and have to try to work yourself up into a phoney outrage about how she is literally urinating on your father's WWII medals (yeah, why not just say that if you are going to make **** up. Go big or go home is what I say!).

So maybe take your own stated epistemology of trying to work out what things mean by who "defends" the comments, such as notable non-Democrats.
 
I gotta hear more. Please elaborate. Attach additional sheets if necessary.

I've got $10 on you hearing crickets.

Seems you lost that bet. But how is Trump similar to Hitler? Let me count the ways.

1. Both had tyrannical and abusive fathers. Hitler was emotionally and physically abused. Trump was emotionally abused.

2. Hitler believed himself superior and destined to rule Germany. Trump believes himself superior and the only one who can "save American".

3. Hitler held rallies in which his adoring followers worshipped him. Trump holds rallies in which his adoring followers worship him, many believing he was sent by God.

4. Hitler used inflammatory rhetoric claiming German superiority, fear of non-Germans diluting their blood and demonizing/dehumanizing Jews, gypsies, communists, Slavs, etc using words like "vermin" who needed to be exiled from Germany. Trump uses inflammatory rhetoric claiming US superiority to ****hole countries, warns of immigrants "destroying the blood of our country,” called his political opponents "vermin" who "infest our country" and "traitors" who "need to be purged from our country "

5. Hitler on several occasions used the phrase "make Germany great again" Trump (falsely) claimed he invented MAGA...Make American Great Again.

6. Hitler took control of the newspapers through various methods giving control to the Nazi Party. Trump attacks the news media calling them "Fake News" so no one will believe them when they write negative stories about him.

7. Hitler used bullying rhetoric. Trump uses bullying rhetoric often to intimidate his opponents.

8. Hitler lied as easily as he breathed. Trump is a pathological liar.

9. Psychologists/psychiatrists have studied them and believe they had/have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including paranoia.

No, Trump is not Hitler and no one knows if he would become as bad as Hitler. We know what Hitler became because he was given the opportunity to become all he could be. So far, Trump has not been given that opportunity. Do we really want to find out what he can become if elected in Nov.? I know I don't.
 
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The reason the naive believe that Trump cannot be worse than Hitler is that they are short-sighted and think that Trump will not put a million people in gas chambers, so he can’t be that bad…

Ok, let's see what you have.

What damage did he do in his last administration? Do you have a few hours?

For starters, his failed leadership during the pandemic resulted in at least a few hundred thousand deaths from Covid. Partial proof of this comes from a comparison in mortality and rates in other countries that were not led by an idiot.

Rated: False.

There are 5 OECD countries with worse rates than USA, and the obvious comparative of UK is very little different to America.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump not only instigated "Warp Speed" he actively got vaccinated and has been booed by his own crowds for that.

Secondly, he fatally damaged the movements for scientific progress in our country.

Rated: false.

Suggesting he "fatally damaged" scientific progress is exaggeration of the highest order. I have no doubt he did harm, but fatal damage? Nah.

But far greater damage was done to the nations populace by sharpening the political divide to suit his own narcissistic ends.
He gave voice to every sexist, racist, white supremacist, xenophobic, homophobic cretin to build his brainwashed cult, and then he used the white wing machinery to pull in a good chunk of the rest of the electorate through their fear of losing political and social power.

Yeah, America was such a paragon of sane political discourse that Trump ruined it.

Pull the other one, it plays Merry Christmas.

I've been watching America slide into a pit of its own making for decades. How were Trump's actions worse than Reagans blatant interference in the Iran hostage situation he engineered to hurt Jimmy Carter?

What you really fail to understand is that the potential Trump administration of the future will be nothing like his first term.

Appealing to a future that may or may not exist. Yeah, that's totes legit evidence.

According to sources I read, Trump made something like 20 false statements a day during his presidency, but now every word is the literal truth.

I hope you understand how dumb that is.

Don’t believe me—take it from the narcissists own mouth,...

You mean like he carried through on his vow to lock Hillary up?

If you fail to understand how the dismantling of American Democracy will be DAMAGING to the people and have strong reverberations across the globe—far more DAMAGING than anything Hitler ever accomplished, then you have not been paying attention.

All caps on the DAMAGE! You must be really serious.

I heard the same thing prior to 2016 but didn't see much damage. He definitely reinforced the rest of the world's opinion that Yanks are loud-mouthed, arrogant wankers, but it wasn't much of a shift.
 
Seems you lost that bet.

Nah, bogus claims don't count so let's see what you have?

But how is Trump similar to Hitler? Let me count the ways.

1. Both had tyrannical and abusive fathers. Hitler was emotionally and physically abused. Trump was emotionally abused.

Srsly?

You'd actually raise that. Brilliant. Half the people in the world are like Hitler.

2. Hitler believed himself superior and destined to rule Germany. Trump believes himself superior and the only one who can "save American".

Like every other politician who's ever lived. As it happens, I don't believe Trump thinks that at all, whereas Dear Adolph definitely did. I think Trump is an insecure blowhard. Hitler didn't lie about his height that I'm aware of.

Surely you have better...

3. Hitler held rallies in which his adoring followers worshipped him. Trump holds rallies in which his adoring followers worship him, many believing he was sent by God.

Not yet...

4. Hitler used inflammatory rhetoric claiming German superiority, fear of non-Germans diluting their blood and demonizing/dehumanizing Jews, gypsies, communists, Slavs, etc using words like "vermin" who needed to be exiled from Germany. Trump uses inflammatory rhetoric claiming US superiority to ****hole countries, warns of immigrants "destroying the blood of our country,” called his political opponents "vermin" who "infest our country" and "traitors" who "need to be purged from our country "

Hey you found one!

That 1-3 so far.

5. Hitler on several occasions used the phrase "make Germany great again" Trump (falsely) claimed he invented MAGA...Make American Great Again.

Nah, old news. Winston Peters was on that track in the 1990s. Trump knowing Hitler said it would imply he reads and we both know that isn't the case.

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6. Hitler took control of the newspapers through various methods giving control to the Nazi Party. Trump attacks the news media calling them "Fake News" so no one will believe them when they write negative stories about him.

Utter bollocks.

HuffPo, NYT, WaPo and many other outlets are as insanely anti-Trump as Fox et al are pro. Trump does not control the media.

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7. Hitler used bullying rhetoric. Trump uses bullying rhetoric often to intimidate his opponents.

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That's gold! Right after berating me for my attack on Hillary you are absolutely equating the Brownshirts and Gestapo with Trump saying mean things.

This is a lot more fun than I expected.

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8. Hitler lied as easily as he breathed. Trump is a pathological liar.

My mum always told me that only one bloke never lied, and since she said his name was Jesus and I think he didn't exist I'm happy to say the man who never lied hasn't been born yet.

Did Hillary lie about Benghazi?

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9. Psychologists/psychiatrists who have never met Trump have studied them and believe they had/have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including paranoia.

FTFY

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No, Trump is not Hitler and no one knows if he would become as bad as Hitler.

Nice of you to spend all that time losing an argument only to admit you have no idea what you're talking about at the end.
 
Nah, bogus claims don't count so let's see what you have?

But how is Trump similar to Hitler? Let me count the ways.

Srsly?

You'd actually raise that. Brilliant. Half the people in the world are like Hitler.

Really? DO you have a source on the claim that half the population have had emotionally abusive fathers?


Like every other politician who's ever lived. As it happens, I don't believe Trump thinks that at all, whereas Dear Adolph definitely did. I think Trump is an insecure blowhard. Hitler didn't lie about his height that I'm aware of.

Surely you have better...

Srsly?? Have you never listened to even *one* speech the man has made on the campaign trail. His entire matra is based on the idea that he and he alone can make America Great Again--that is his call! Pay better attention.
As for height, the only reason T lies about that is that he believes he is the greatest President, so even Presidents like Lincoln (6'4") could not have been taller than him. In his feeble mind, physical stature is more important than political accomplishments, which is why he was so offended when Stormy reveiled his small...err...stature.

Nah, old news. Winston Peters was on that track in the 1990s. Trump knowing Hitler said it would imply he reads and we both know that isn't the case.

What--you believe those leftist lies? I think his ex gave credible testimony that he studied Hitler's speeches.


Utter bollocks.

HuffPo, NYT, WaPo and many other outlets are as insanely anti-Trump as Fox et al are pro. Trump does not control the media.

That's not what Stacyh said, try to read a little better.


That's gold! Right after berating me for my attack on Hillary you are absolutely equating the Brownshirts and Gestapo with Trump saying mean things.

This is a lot more fun than I expected.

You haven't been paying attention--he not only says them, he *does* them. That's why he was found liable for sexual assault, and has one felony conviction, and three to come if he is not reelected, for trying to become the next Hitler.


My mum always told me that only one bloke never lied, and since she said his name was Jesus and I think he didn't exist I'm happy to say the man who never lied hasn't been born yet.

Did Hillary lie about Benghazi?

Wow, probably the worst whattabout false dichotomy proclaimed. Do you understand the distinction between telling one false statement and perpetually lying about everything? The only truth T has ever uttered is his most recent statement: "I don't care about you, I just want your vote" which of course he claimed was a 'joke'--yet another lie!

Nice of you to spend all that time losing an argument only to admit you have no idea what you're talking about at the end.

I didn't see any admission. Have you been watching Fox News or something, cause I'm concerned about you. Maybe you should read Mary Trump's book on how T is the most dangerous man, or perhaps the book co-authored by dozens of Psychiatrists and psychologists "the dangerous case of Donald Trump" which accurately predicted T's Jan 6 move and everything to come--funny, with none of them meeting Trump. They explain you don't need to meet someone to diagnose their clear mental illness when they make it their point to publicly display it and act upon it at every given opportunity.
 
I saw Biden today in what initially I thought was soooo fake. Frozen Biden.

He stood so very still, like those statue people painted metallic colors in city centers. Just completely frozen. All around him, people are dancing and clapping with the beat of the music just inches from him.
It looks more like someone inserted a cardboard cutout of him into the video.

He def won't make it. They were stupid to try. Rate of decline grows. It will only get worse.
No way this man will be allowed to debate Trump.

They need a replacement STAT!
 
Ok, let's see what you have.

What damage did he do in his last administration? Do you have a few hours?



Rated: False.

There are 5 OECD countries with worse rates than USA, and the obvious comparative of UK is very little different to America.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump not only instigated "Warp Speed" he actively got vaccinated and has been booed by his own crowds for that.

The Lancet report estimated that 180,000 died from his policies, and has been cited by Forbes, Business Insider, Scientific American...and many other non 'leftist' publications. Do you have any study refuting this?
Your point about his vaccination etc is certainly an interesting one, worthy of a thread of its own, but in no way negates my point. Anyone who has a clue about Trump knows that when it is in his *own self interest* he will do whatever is necessary to protect himself--which is what he did in that case. Because his public anti-vax and conspiracy statements are rarely what he 'really' believes, they are just made up to give him the strongest support from his cult members. Same reason he has flip-flopped on every issue from abortion to the legal system. It is all centered on protecting his ego--that is what malignant narcissists do!

Rated: false.

Suggesting he "fatally damaged" scientific progress is exaggeration of the highest order. I have no doubt he did harm, but fatal damage? Nah.

Ok, I concede I slightly misspoke, I meant to say if he *is* reelected, it will be fatal to any effort to halt or reverse climate change. I have an MS in Atmospheric Science, so if you'd like I can go on for hours on why AGW is a serious problem, but you haven't taken issue with me yet on that, you just claim I'm exaggerating. You're wrong.

Yeah, America was such a paragon of sane political discourse that Trump ruined it.

Pull the other one, it plays Merry Christmas.

I've been watching America slide into a pit of its own making for decades. How were Trump's actions worse than Reagans blatant interference in the Iran hostage situation he engineered to hurt Jimmy Carter?

I am not saying he started this 'slide'--I am saying he has accelerated it to a high degree, it is mountains to molehills. I was around for the Reagan administration. I disagreed with his policies, but he and Bush and others were nowhere in the same league as Trump, because they were sane.
I and many others who are even more knowledgable on the subject can clearly see that T is mentally unwell--this is what makes him so dangerous.


Appealing to a future that may or may not exist. Yeah, that's totes legit evidence.

According to sources I read, Trump made something like 20 false statements a day during his presidency, but now every word is the literal truth.

I hope you understand how dumb that is


You mean like he carried through on his vow to lock Hillary up?
You seem unable or unwilling to understand his pathology. Let me try to educate with a typical example. Trump says he wants to be a dictator on day one. Then when the press pounces on this, he plausibly denies it by saying he was joking or whatever. This is T's MO! His closest ally Michael Cohen has written at length about it, so have psychiatrists. What T says is neither truth nor fiction--it is whatever serves his interest in protecting his own fragile ego! He will say or do whatever accomplishes this. Look how he now brazenly denies saying that he called for Hillary to be jailed. He wants to create a virtual reality of 'alternative facts' and he uses this to control his cult members. Much like gang leaders or cult leaders or dictators of the past--it is very recognizable behavior. You should not ignore it,



All caps on the DAMAGE! You must be really serious.

I heard the same thing prior to 2016 but didn't see much damage. He definitely reinforced the rest of the world's opinion that Yanks are loud-mouthed, arrogant wankers, but it wasn't much of a shift.

I *am* serious--I'm nearly 6 decades on this planet and I've never seen anything close to the threat T poses to our very freedom and quality of life. It is complacency from those who don't get it, the fact that MSM gives him a pass on every sign of mental unfitness, it is that APATHY which potentially lead to this danger being realized. History proves this. I don't want history to repeat here. If you heard this prior to 2016, you must have been asleep since then. I even was willing to give Trump a chance in 2016, I tired to believe the lies about him being a good businessman and since I didn't care much for Hillary I thought maybe it would not be too bad. He proved me wrong very quickly. And that was when his mental and psychological health was at least somewhat stable. It was the loss in 2020 that sent him off the deep edge: malignant narcissists *cannot* handle defeat. His ego would not allow it. That is *why* he rooted for the riot on Jan 6--it is why he continues to deny the election results despite absolute certain proof to the contrary. It is this pathological inability to accept failure that will make him insanely dangerous if he is reelected. Please try to understand this!
 
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