Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

effective in what capacity, i'm not sure. there's also been a huge rise in vpn friendly no id crypto casinos and those same offshore cryptocasinos advertise directly to children through sites like twitch and kick.

The article I quoted from is only a year old.

The quote is unambiguous:

Online age verification in gambling has proven effective and there is limited evidence to suggest that further measures are needed to prevent minors from gambling online, according to a new UK government review of the country’s gambling regulation.

 

[dirtywick]

idk are they checking in with the offshore vpn friendly no id sites that are advertised directly to children to see how many kids went to those?

 

[Darat]

Are you an expert on this issue? If not, then some evidence from someone who is would be of interest. Daniel Kebede could be wrong of course, though it's interesting that the Guardian article makes no attempt to push back on his assertion.

In the meantime 'severe harm' (Children's Charities say) is being done to young people as we speak.

Evidence of his claim? No - why should I - however I am willing to give him the claim of its very difficult without him supplying evidence. But you seem to have missed my point - it is according to your source "very difficult" he did not say it is impossible. And you missed my point entirely - so again - so what, who said it was going to be easy to bring children up? Something being "very difficult" does not seem a reason to me to not protect your children.

 

[Poem]

Evidence of his claim? No - why should I - however I am willing to give him the claim of its very difficult without him supplying evidence. But you seem to have missed my point - it is according to your source "very difficult" he did not say it is impossible. And you missed my point entirely - so again - so what, who said it was going to be easy to bring children up? Something being "very difficult" does not seem a reason to me to not protect your children.

I'm asking you for evidence that contradicts his assertion. Do you have evidence that parents can successfully shield their children from porn? If they could then you'd think he would have said so - as would the Guardian themselves.

 

[Arcade22]

The article I quoted from is only a year old.

The quote is unambiguous:

Wow the government that's pushing for mandatory intrusive age-verification is disingenuously saying that mandatory intrusive age-verification is effective. Very, very persuasive.

In reality gambling is a commercial activity where the gambler is expected to use money as payment for engaging in said activity. Verifying their identity is very desirable to prevent money laundering amongst other things that have nothing to do with "protecting minors from gambling". 99% of effort to regulate online gambling has nothing to do with age.

By contrast the vast majority of online porn that people access tend to be "free" and requires no payment, being paid for by advertising.

 

[Arcade22]

Sorry to barge in without reading the whole thread but there is wiki article which does answer the OP question quite directly:

Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Yes, that would be an accurate description of the societies listed in this (fascinating and depressing) article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping

This thread is about the imaginary feminist "rape culture" that allegedly defines developed western countries. Not about actual cultures and societies where rape is a culturally acceptable practice. Feminists don't care about those. Can't see them from their "progressive" university ivory tower.

 

[dirtywick]

Wow the government that's pushing for mandatory intrusive age-verification is disingenuously saying that mandatory intrusive age-verification is effective. Very, very persuasive.

In reality gambling is a commercial activity where the gambler is expected to use money as payment for engaging in said activity. Verifying their identity is very desirable to prevent money laundering amongst other things that have nothing to do with "protecting minors from gambling". 99% of effort to regulate online gambling has nothing to do with age.

By contrast the vast majority of online porn that people access tend to be "free" and requires no payment, being paid for by advertising.

whether it’s to protect children or not, gambling sites make a uk compliant regional site, then make an overseas site and advertise it as vpn friendly and no id, then push it to kids through a network of influencers in their demographic that play with house money on special odds. so they check with the uk regional site and see how the numbers of kids on that site dropped and act like the problem was solved. if anything it’s made it worse imo

 

[Darat]

I'm asking you for evidence that contradicts his assertion. Do you have evidence that parents can successfully shield their children from porn? If they could then you'd think he would have said so - as would the Guardian themselves.

You quoted the evidence i.e. “very difficult” - like I say I’m not going to supply the evidence for his and yours by proxy claim. I’m happy to accept what he claims i.e. it is very difficult. He did not say it wasn’t possible. Again my point is why shouldn’t it be very difficult to bring children up?

 

[Poem]

This thread is about the imaginary feminist "rape culture" that allegedly defines developed western countries. Not about actual cultures and societies where rape is a culturally acceptable practice. Feminists don't care about those. Can't see them from their "progressive" university ivory tower.

You say rape culture (in the West) is imaginary without actually rebutting any of the posts that substantiate it. Did you read through the thread?

If you don't think there's a toxic porn-fuelled culture in schools then please do make your case.

 

[Poem]

You quoted the evidence i.e. “very difficult” - like I say I’m not going to supply the evidence for his and yours by proxy claim. I’m happy to accept what he claims i.e. it is very difficult. He did not say it wasn’t possible. Again my point is why shouldn’t it be very difficult to bring children up?

If it were possible then he wouldn't have said: We can’t individualise the issue and put it down to problem parenting, failure of parenting.

Parents aren't failing - that's the substance of what he said.

 

[Poem]

Wow the government that's pushing for mandatory intrusive age-verification is disingenuously saying that mandatory intrusive age-verification is effective. Very, very persuasive.

In reality gambling is a commercial activity where the gambler is expected to use money as payment for engaging in said activity. Verifying their identity is very desirable to prevent money laundering amongst other things that have nothing to do with "protecting minors from gambling". 99% of effort to regulate online gambling has nothing to do with age.

By contrast the vast majority of online porn that people access tend to be "free" and requires no payment, being paid for by advertising.

Well, either way - children are being 'severely harmed'.

 

[Poem]

Society - adults should be allowed whatever entertainment they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone without their consent.

Can I ask why you haven't responded to my response? Children are without doubt being negatively impacted by porn. The harm is so severe that experts said we shouldn't be waiting to act. They called for immediate action. That was two years ago.

The facts are that there are huge amounts of illegal material online. If it was presented on a DVD it would be banned.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yep.

Society - adults should be allowed whatever entertainment they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone without their consent.

Society - up to parents to control what their kids have access to

Problem: Most parents are crap at controlling what their kids have access to.

I think your framing, while a nice hypothetical for this specific scenario, really misses the reality we use in almost everything else.

Society: Adults should be allowed whatever entertainment, pastimes, and agreements they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone without their consent.

Society: Up to parents to control what their kids have access to. Unless it's alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, buying or renting cars, voting, serving in the armed forces, having a job, and any number of other things where Society has decided that laws and regulations should be put in place because...

Problem: Some parents are crap

 

[Poem]

Children continue to be harmed ('severely' say the experts); the notion that society on the whole cares about them is clearly false.

Of course, it's not just children that are being harmed - porn is impacting the whole of society resulting in varying degrees of rape culture.

I'm just stating facts - uncomfortable ones about the true nature of humanity.

 

[Orphia Nay]

You’re not getting your “facts” from the Sound of Freedom movie are you?

 

[Poem]

You’re not getting your “facts” from the Sound of Freedom movie are you?

I'm not, but it is a fact that children are being taken advantage of at the US southern boarder.

Regarding your 'facts' in scare quotes - please go ahead and argue that children aren't being 'severely harmed' by the porn that society (in general, but not everyone) has de facto shown them.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I'm not, but it is a fact that children are being taken advantage of at the US southern boarder.

Regarding your 'facts' in scare quotes - please go ahead and argue that children aren't being 'severely harmed' by the porn that society (in general, but not everyone) has de facto shown them.

No, I was referring to the “facts” in the movie.

 

[Poem]

No, I was referring to the “facts” in the movie.

But why are you seemingly throwing doubt on the fact that children are severely harmed by porn?

Anyone watching or uploading porn is contributing to this harm and it's about time we as humans stop denying it.

 

[TragicMonkey]

But why are you seemingly throwing doubt on the fact that children are severely harmed by porn?

Anyone watching or uploading porn is contributing to this harm and it's about time we as humans stop denying it.

Declaring things still doesn't make them true. Do you not understand what this forum is supposed to be about? There's a reason we're not a good audience for your announcements.

However, in the interests of I'm bored at this particular instant, I'll ask: how exactly does my looking at a website of Tom of Finland drawings, circa 1960, of adult men in adult situations "severely harm" children? Explain to me how that "severe harm" is happening.

 

[dann]

I'm just stating facts - uncomfortable ones about the true nature of humanity.

Whenever you state alleged facts, uncomfortable or not, it is a good idea to present documentation for those alleged facts.