Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part III

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newyorkguy said:
Gaetz might have forgotten about the jury but the magamutts sure haven't! From CNN:



The ominous fact is, trump and his attorneys KNOW the identities of the jurors. The court ordered, back in March that the juror identifications be sealed and not divulged by counsel.
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One more reason Trump might go to prison when sentenced.
 
newyorkguy said:
Gaetz might have forgotten about the jury but the magamutts sure haven't! From CNN:



The ominous fact is, trump and his attorneys KNOW the identities of the jurors. The court ordered, back in March that the juror identifications be sealed and not divulged by counsel.
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I think CNN did their part in exposing the jurors' identities, giving detailed descriptions of some or all. Granted, you might not be able to pick one out from all the people in Manhattan, but being out of normal public life for seven weeks is going to be known by some people. Not to mention, someone will be chatting with another and casually mention that they know a juror. It wouldn't take much research to find out who it is. Hell, that info is probably out there already.

One thing's for sure, if the worst would happen and The FPaCFDJT gets re-elected, the first thing on his list would be to commit all his resources to making life for those jurors a nightmare.
 
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sackett said:
It appears to be the unanimous opinion of Forum trumpists that this trial is a smashing victory for Donny and his followers.
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That is what they have been told to think, so it's no surprise that the opinion is unanimous:
RNC Post-Verdict Talking Points and Messaging
"This is unjust"
"This is a witch hunt"
"The conviction will be good for Republicans""We will appeal"
"We will win the appeal"
"We just elected the next president of the United States"https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14333896#post14333896
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It's funny how things work in the upside down world we live in. Everything to them is a win. Every one of these Trumpers now wants to play this like it's a good thing, like it's great news that their candidate for president was convicted of 34 felonies. The tributes to MAGA Teresa were flowing from great lines like this gentleman, who proclaimed, "Today was our George Floyd moment." I don't know, is that good?
And at what point - put that back up - at what point into asking AI to generate an image of Donald Trump in cornrow do you say to yourself, 'I should probably get back to work'?
Here's another one from Trump's longtime advisor and fellow felon Roger Stone, The only thing Trump is guilty of is being the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln." - Oh, and 34 felonies on top of that.
Trump’s Disastrous Press Conference After Guilty Verdict & MAGA Nuts Kiss Ass with Cringey Tributes (Jimmy Kimmel Live on YouTube, June 1, 2024 )
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alfaniner said:
I think CNN did their part in exposing the jurors' identities, giving detailed descriptions of some or all. Granted, you might not be able to pick one out from all the people in Manhattan, but being out of normal public life for seven weeks is going to be known by some people. Not to mention, someone will be chatting with another and casually mention that they know a juror. It wouldn't take much research to find out who it is. Hell, that info is probably out there already.

One thing's for sure, if the worst would happen and The FPaCFDJT gets re-elected, the first thing on his list would be to commit all his resources to making life for those jurors a nightmare.
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CNN wasn't the only media outlet that published those bios. I read them in the Guardian.
 
acbytesla said:
Exactly!!!

Trump has been convicted of 34 felonies
Trump has been found liable for rape.
Trump has been found liable for defamation TWICE!
Trump has been found to have committed 6 counts of tax and insurance fraud.
The Trump Organization was found guilty of 15 counts of criminal tax fraud. His CFO went to Rikers for it.
The Trump Foundation was found to have committed charities fraud and self dealing.
Trump University was found to have defrauded its students and paid $25 million dollars.
And Trump is still waiting trial for 58 other criminal charges.

It should be noted that Trump could have easily gone to jail for some of his fraudulent business activities if he had been investigated and charged in a timely fashion. Trump managed in his life to avoid criminal prosecution because of various statutes of limitations.
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Here's a similar take on your list. I made up Georges Alvarez and used Belize because it gets very little press coverage in the US. What I did do, though, was give a point-for-point list of what Donald Trump did in four years as president of the USA and events since then.

In Belize, far-left politician Georges Alvarez has announced his intent to run for president. His record so far:

  • Although he has never been formally diagnosed, many psychologists agree he meets the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. He constantly seeks attention but is highly disagreeable, unsympathetic, and authoritarian. He regularly maligns in extreme terms anyone who disagrees with him, especially people he himself hired and then later fired.
  • When he was sitting as an area representative, he was censured twice by the house for actions he did while in office, including attempting a coup
  • At one point during his term, he informed the CIA of a Belizean spy working in the US
  • Nine people he worked closely with while an area representative have been indicted on various criminal charges: six found guilty, two not guilty, and one never went to trial; and another pleaded guilty to tax evasion
  • He has been twice convicted for defamation
  • Prior to his election to the Parliament of Belize, and since then, he has garnered a reputation as a sleazy businessman:
    • He has been found to have committed several counts of tax and insurance fraud
    • A business holding company he set up and ran was found guilty of 15 counts of criminal tax fraud, and its vice-president of finance went to prison
    • A business college he ran was found to have defrauded its students and paid the equivalent of $US 2.3 million in fines
    • A charitable foundation he ran was found to have committed charities fraud and self-dealing
    • People who have done business with him in the past have complained how he refused to pay invoices, then dared them to take him to court because he could bankrupt their company by drawing out the proceedings indefinitely
  • Recently he was convicted personally on over thirty criminal charges relating to his business activities
  • Trials are forthcoming almost sixty other criminal charges such as election fraud when he was a representative, mishandling of government secrets, and inciting a riot
  • He has been found civilly liable for rape in court, although he was never criminally charged for the attack
It would be interesting to post this on some right wing Trump -loving sites and see how many pick up the parallels, or simply go off on a mad hate for a leftist politician with a long rap sheet.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Here's a similar take on your list. I made up Georges Alvarez and used Belize because it gets very little press coverage in the US. What I did do, though, was give a point-for-point list of what Donald Trump did in four years as president of the USA and events since then.

In Belize, far-left politician Georges Alvarez has announced his intent to run for president. His record so far:

  • Although he has never been formally diagnosed, many psychologists agree he meets the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. He constantly seeks attention but is highly disagreeable, unsympathetic, and authoritarian. He regularly maligns in extreme terms anyone who disagrees with him, especially people he himself hired and then later fired.
  • When he was sitting as an area representative, he was censured twice by the house for actions he did while in office, including attempting a coup
  • At one point during his term, he informed the CIA of a Belizean spy working in the US
  • Nine people he worked closely with while an area representative have been indicted on various criminal charges: six found guilty, two not guilty, and one never went to trial; and another pleaded guilty to tax evasion
  • He has been twice convicted for defamation
  • Prior to his election to the Parliament of Belize, and since then, he has garnered a reputation as a sleazy businessman:
    • He has been found to have committed several counts of tax and insurance fraud
    • A business holding company he set up and ran was found guilty of 15 counts of criminal tax fraud, and its vice-president of finance went to prison
    • A business college he ran was found to have defrauded its students and paid the equivalent of $US 2.3 million in fines
    • A charitable foundation he ran was found to have committed charities fraud and self-dealing
    • People who have done business with him in the past have complained how he refused to pay invoices, then dared them to take him to court because he could bankrupt their company by drawing out the proceedings indefinitely
  • Recently he was convicted personally on over thirty criminal charges relating to his business activities
  • Trials are forthcoming almost sixty other criminal charges such as election fraud when he was a representative, mishandling of government secrets, and inciting a riot
  • He has been found civilly liable for rape in court, although he was never criminally charged for the attack
It would be interesting to post this on some right wing Trump -loving sites and see how many pick up the parallels, or simply go off on a mad hate for a leftist politician with a long rap sheet.
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Of course. There are lots of videos of Trump supporters on YouTube being told that Joe Biden or Obama did one of the many horrible things Trump has done and they will vociferously attack them for it. But when they find out Trump did it they defend Trump.
 
This small bit from Rolling Stone is curious; it claims that sources "familiar with the matter" have revealed that over the course of the trial, Trump and his defense team noticed a particular juror whom they became convinced was a Trump loyalist and whom they expected would be able to prevent any convictions. Allegedly, Trump even began referring to them as "my juror" when talking with his team.
 
IMO the GOP feedback after the verdict highlights that moderate Republicans are a myth. Time and again we were assured that a conviction would sway them to no longer support President Trump but now we find that the entire justice system is rigged, rather than their man being guilty.

It seems that a guilty verdict may even enhance his election prospects because the very underinformed may be tempted to turn out and vote for him to right this wrong. :mad:
 
There haven't been moderate Republicans since Reagan.

But it would be nice if we still had some constitutional Republicans; the kind that won't just ignore all laws that don't benefit them.
 
gypsyjackson said:
*narrows eyes*
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There was a report a few* years back that had asked Brits to draw the UK flag. Something like 90% got it wrong and not the subtle thickness of the white diagonals wrongness but the basics, most people drew it with the red diagonals connecting with the central red cross.




*please note due to peculiarities with time a few can indicate anything up to 30 years ago.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There haven't been moderate Republicans since Reagan.

But it would be nice if we still had some constitutional Republicans; the kind that won't just ignore all laws that don't benefit them.
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Think viewing it as it being an extreme v. moderate distinction gets it wrong. Since the Tea Party it has been crazy v. sane . Or perhaps a slightly less incendiary way of putting it, principled v. obstructive as the Republican Party doesn’t seem to be for anything now, it defines itself as being against its perception of what “the other” wants.
 
I think the problem is that it has become Existential.

Since Obama, the Republican slogan has been that this will be the last Election ever if you don't vote for us, and since Trump, Democrats feel the same.

By what logic should you preserve a System that protects the trafficking, sexual exploration and ritual murder of hundreds of thousands of children a year? Isn't it your moral obligation to commit voter fraud, coercion, bribery and use patriotic militias to stop this?
 
I presume that if Trump is successful in any appeal, he will switch from the courts are evil and conspiring against him, to they are good and fair and righteous.
 
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