Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part III

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We have all known for years that Donald Jessica Trump is dishonest. That he is a con man. a grifter, and a liar extraordinaire. It's not a secret that Trump cheats on his taxes. Or that he cheated on his loans. On his bills. At golf. Cheated his way out of the draft. Cheated on his wife. All three of them. He cheated to win an election.

We've all known that Trump cheats at anything and everything he can.

But today we not only can say Donald Trump is a liar and a cheat. We not only can say he's been indicted for almost a hundred crimes. We can say Trump is a criminal. A convicted criminal awaiting sentencing.
 
acbytesla said:
We have all known for years that Donald Jessica Trump is dishonest. That he is a con man. a grifter, and a liar extraordinaire. It's not a secret that Trump cheats on his taxes. Or that he cheated on his loans. On his bills. At golf. Cheated his way out of the draft. Cheated on his wife. All three of them. He cheated to win an election.

We've all known that Trump cheats at anything and everything he can.

But today we not only can say Donald Trump is a liar and a cheat. We not only can say he's been indicted for almost a hundred crimes. We can say Trump is a criminal. A convicted criminal awaiting sentencing.
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But, AC...that means nothing as he hasn't faced any consequences!:rolleyes:
 
Stacyhs said:
But, AC...that means nothing as he hasn't faced any consequences!:rolleyes:
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It's up to us to make sure he faces consequences. He is now a convicted criminal. But so was Hitler. And he was elected as Germany's leader. And look what he did to Germany and the world.

People need to understand that this is serious. Trump is not going to give up. And if he ever becomes President again he will be a bully. He will destroy democracy in the United States.

Every word I said is true. It's not hyperbole. It's not an exaggeration.

Trump deserves to go to prison. But probably not over this. There's a part of me that doesn't care what Trump goes to prison for. But it does matter. But before they get outraged at Trump potentially going to prison over this they should recall that Michael Cohen spent two years in prison for this. And Cohen spent almost 60 days in solitary.
 
Mojo said:
But if he doesn't have a passport, maybe he won't be able to get back in.
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every republican governor would let him land on an airport in their State.
every Republican billionaire donor would bring him in on one of their private planes.
 
These charges never should have been brought in the first place. I expect the conviction to be overturned on appeal.
Leader McConnell (X, May 31, 2024)
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The X comments are great! :)
For instance:

Oh give us a break. You don't expect that for a second.

You mean like how they were overturned for Cohen for the same evidence?

Sen. McConnell immediately after Trump’s Jan 6 Impeachment trial:
“[Trump] didn't get away with anything yet. We have a criminal justice system in this country...And former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one.”

Honest to god, you’re all so ******* pathetic.
Dude, the guy has hurled racial slurs at your wife. What the **** is wrong with you!??

On what exact basis, sir froze-alot???

For a man who’s got probably 10 years or less above ground; you’d think you would want to be remembered for some sort of human decency and not remembered as a bitter old troll.


ETA: I just saw that McConnell's "I expect the conviction to be overturned on appeal" is how Republicans were ordered by the RNC to respond to the conviction:
RNC Post-Verdict Talking Points and Messaging
"This is unjust"
"This is a witch hunt"
"The conviction will be good for Republicans"
"We will appeal" "We will win the appeal""We just elected the next president of the United States"
'What I just heard makes me sick': Michael Beschloss reacts to GOP defense of Trump (MSNBC on YouTube, May 31, 2024)
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The Great Zaganza said:
every republican governor would let him land on an airport in their State.
every Republican billionaire donor would bring him in on one of their private planes.
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I am sure that meatball Ron or Christi"doglover" noem would gladly let Trump into their state.

But I believe there are laws that require states to honor extradition requests from each other. And even if Florida or Texas decided to ignore the law, Trump would be restricted to those states with friendly governors. It would severely restrict his campaigning.

(Add to that complication, Trump might also need to have states with a friendly attorney general as well as a friendly governor, since the att. Gen. Is the one responsible for enforcing laws )
 
It occurs to me that even if Trump doesn't win the presidency he's going to be headlining the news for years to come, just based on the court cases if nothing else. He's like the zit on everyone's butt that can't be pinched away.

/DebbieDowner
 
Isn't great?
Republicans overwhelmingly think that felons shouldn't be allowed to vote while simultaneously think they should vote for a felon.
 
they just think it’s some bs financial crime. i mean, it’s not like he raped somebody
 
Stacyhs said:
But, AC...that means nothing as he hasn't faced any consequences!:rolleyes:
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Well, he hasn't. He's finally been told that there will be consequences coming. They don't actually arrive to be faced, whatever they are, until July 11th.

That's when we find out if he's still on the wealthy tier of justice or would face jail for almost three dozen felonies like any of the rest of us.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Well, he hasn't. He's finally been told that there will be consequences coming. They don't actually arrive to be faced, whatever they are, until July 11th.
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As has been pointed out, for someone like Trump to be confined to a rather drab courtroom for the better part of 6 weeks - against his will - is at least a “consequence” of some small sorts. A man of his age has a finite and dwindling number of weeks left on this planet, so let’s accept victories when we can. Hopefully more to follow!
 
acbytesla said:
Trump deserves to go to prison. But probably not over this. There's a part of me that doesn't care what Trump goes to prison for. But it does matter. But before they get outraged at Trump potentially going to prison over this they should recall that Michael Cohen spent two years in prison for this. And Cohen spent almost 60 days in solitary.
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It is possible that Trump will go to prison over this.

At sentencing, his multiple violations of multiple gag orders will count against him.

Trump won't accept any responsibility for the outcome of this criminal trial, which will count against him.

The civil fraud trial (People of the State of New York v Donald J Trump et al) will count against him. As stated in the summary of that ruling, "When confronted at trial with the statements, defendants' fact and expert witnesses simply denied reality, and defendants failed to accept responsibility or to impose internal controls to prevent future recurrences."

Although both of the E Jean Carroll defamation trials were civil, they will count against Trump at sentencing. He was ruled to have committed sexual assault, which can be seen to have some relationship to his motives for the crimes of which he has now been convicted.

Trump's associations with convicted criminals will count against him. It's a long list: Weisselberg, Cohen, Steve Bannon, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Peter Navarro, George Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, Kenneth Chesebro, Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell. Some of those were pardoned by Trump, but that's not a good look when the pardoner has been convicted of felonies and is throwing his unrepentant self on the mercy of a court.

In addition to those who have been found guilty or pled guilty, a number of Trump's associates have been indicted in the Florida racketeering case. Those indictments may count against Trump at sentencing.

Trump himself in under indictment in three other criminal cases, all involving charges that are more serious than the 34 of which he has just been convicted. Those indictments are likely to count against Trump at sentencing.

This is Trump's first criminal conviction, but the qualifiers "first" and "criminal" are hiding a lot. People can say Trump had no criminal record until now, but the broader context comes into play at sentencing. It's not as though he's always been a good boy, never coming close to trouble with the law.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Isn't great?
Republicans overwhelmingly think that felons shouldn't be allowed to vote while simultaneously think they should vote for a felon.
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At this point getting shocked that Republicans have one set of rules for themselves and another for the rest of us and their whole "Literally every accusation is a confession" thing is almost performative.

They Republicans have told us who they are enough.
 
The Biden campaign comments regarding Trump "no one should be above the law".

Biden slammed the International Criminal Court prosecutor's application for arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling the move "outrageous".

So pursuing a case against a political ally for a non-violent essentially victimless crime is good. Pursuing a case gainst a military ally for violence affecting thousands is 'outrageous'.

Double standards?
 
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