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Cosmic Yak said:
It's moved from unnamed "sources" to unnamed "deputies", but yes, you're right. Still- and I've just done a google search- only right-wing sources making this claim, and no actual official confirmation yet.
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False.

KTLA reported that he was an illegal alien on May 15, 2 days earlier than The Blaze.

According to your very own arbiter of who is and who is not right wing, KTLA is not considered right wing.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
What source did KTLA name?
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I used to live in southern California which is the area local news station, KTLA, covers. I recognized the call letters which made me wonder why a local news station would cover a traffic accident fatality across the country. I can find no reports from KTLA about this accident at all.
 
Bogative said:
False.

KTLA reported that he was an illegal alien on May 15, 2 days earlier than The Blaze.

According to your very own arbiter of who is and who is not right wing, KTLA is not considered right wing.
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Cosmic Yak said:
What source did KTLA name?
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Stacyhs said:
I used to live in southern California which is the area local news station, KTLA, covers. I recognized the call letters which made me wonder why a local news station would cover a traffic accident fatality across the country. I can find no reports from KTLA about this accident at all.
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Interesting.
Also interesting is that, while Bogative mentions KTLA in his post, his link is actually about KTTV.
Bogative: perhaps you could clear this up? Do you mean KTLA or KTTV, and would you mind supplying a link to the story you reference, from whichever channel turns out to be the correct one?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Interesting.
Also interesting is that, while Bogative mentions KTLA in his post, his link is actually about KTTV.
Bogative: perhaps you could clear this up? Do you mean KTLA or KTTV, and would you mind supplying a link to the story you reference, from whichever channel turns out to be the correct one?
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KTLA was my error, it is KTTV Fox11. The story was linked in post #351.
 
I just caught my own error. When I posted this I was conflating the California Sarabia case with the van/motorcycle/school bus death in S. Carolina we were also discussing.

I used to live in southern California which is the area local news station, KTLA, covers. I recognized the call letters which made me wonder why a local news station would cover a traffic accident fatality across the country. I can find no reports from KTLA about this accident at all.
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Mea culpa.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
It's moved from unnamed "sources" to unnamed "deputies", but yes, you're right. Still- and I've just done a google search- only right-wing sources making this claim, and no actual official confirmation yet.
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Bogative said:
False.

KTLA reported that he was an illegal alien on May 15, 2 days earlier than The Blaze.

According to your very own arbiter of who is and who is not right wing, KTLA is not considered right wing.
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Bogative said:
KTLA was my error, it is KTTV Fox11. The story was linked in post #351.
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And in that story, they cite unnamed deputies, just as I said they'd done.
You've just disproved your own point. Well done.
As for right-wing, granted, Media Bias Fact Check list them as centre and unbiased. Let me rephrase to 'mostly right wing outlets'. And there is still no official confirmation. I note also that the story was updated on the 15th. It's not the original one. Do you have a link to the original article?
Does this mean you accept MBFC's assessments as valid?
Do you have any named or official sources confirming Sarabia's legal status?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
And in that story, they cite unnamed deputies, just as I said they'd done.
You've just disproved your own point. Well done.
As for right-wing, granted, Media Bias Fact Check list them as centre and unbiased. Let me rephrase to 'mostly right wing outlets'. And there is still no official confirmation. I note also that the story was updated on the 15th. It's not the original one. Do you have a link to the original article?
Does this mean you accept MBFC's assessments as valid?
Do you have any named or official sources confirming Sarabia's legal status?
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This is a silly game.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
And in that story, they cite unnamed deputies, just as I said they'd done.
You've just disproved your own point. Well done.
As for right-wing, granted, Media Bias Fact Check list them as centre and unbiased. Let me rephrase to 'mostly right wing outlets'. And there is still no official confirmation. I note also that the story was updated on the 15th. It's not the original one. Do you have a link to the original article?
Does this mean you accept MBFC's assessments as valid?
Do you have any named or official sources confirming Sarabia's legal status?
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Bogative said:
This is a silly game.
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So that's a 'no'?
 
David Antonio Calderon, a 46-year-old illegal alien from El Salvador, has been charged for the murder of a woman in West Virginia.

Calderon spent over 20 years imprisoned in El Salvador for drunk driving, aggravated robbery, drug dealing, rape and murder.

After being released from prison he came to the United States and sought asylum in Canada. The Canadians wisely said '**** no' and turned him over to DHS.

DHS promptly released him – of course they did – where he went on to assault two other people with a baseball bat. He was in custody for malicious assault when he was arrested for murder.


On May 6, law enforcement discovered a 33-year-old woman’s body after firefighters extinguished a couch that was on fire in Berkeley County. The woman had been reported missing from Jefferson County’s home confinement program.
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America is a nation of immigrants… or something.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think I understand what you meant, but technically, given a choice between two things (right or wrong), it is a 50-50 chance.
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Well that's just horribly bad statistics.

When given a choice between two discrete options with no additional information about them at all, the default assumption is generally that it's a uniform distribution, a 50-50 chance... But as soon as you actually know anything at all that could alter those odds, continuing to assume that the likelihoods are the same is a really bad idea.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Brave Sir Robin ran away.
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I didn't run away. According to local news, deputies say that he is an illegal alien, that's good enough for me. If you want to play skeptic and not believe what was reported, have fun with yourself.
 
Bogative said:
I didn't run away. According to local news, deputies say that he is an illegal alien, that's good enough for me. If you want to play skeptic and not believe what was reported, have fun with yourself.
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Please don't misrepresent my argument. I have not said I don't believe it: I have explicitly stated that I am perfectly prepared to believe it, given a named or official source. Unnamed deputies cited by sites known to make things up don't fit the bill.
You, on the other hand, are accepting uncorroborated claims, because it suits you to do so. And now you're running away from that, to your next example of "those evil foreigners".
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Please don't misrepresent my argument. I have not said I don't believe it: I have explicitly stated that I am perfectly prepared to believe it, given a named or official source. Unnamed deputies cited by sites known to make things up don't fit the bill.
You, on the other hand, are accepting uncorroborated claims, because it suits you to do so. And now you're running away from that, to your next example of "those evil black & brown foreigners".
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More precisely.
 
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