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U.S. Border and Immigration

When a news site will pull out all the stops to make me read the same kind story over and over, I would start to wonder why and what they do not report on
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm calling the cops regardless. If they can provide a really, incredibly good and compelling reason why they absolutely had no other choice than to break into my house in order to avoid imminent and immediate death... I *might* decide not to press charges after they've been arrested and removed from my property.

There is no situation in which I would just allow a complete stranger who entered my home unlawfully and illegally to stay in my guest room indefinitely.
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What a thoughtful host you are.
 
Bogative said:
I'm sure the rape victims are comforted by the fact that some ****lib organization finds The Blaze biased.

Thanks for your non-contribution.
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1. Do the words "numerous failed fact checks" have anything to do with American political leanings?
2. I'm sure the rape victims will be comforted by knowing their ordeal is being exploited by lying rightwingers to promote their own political agenda.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
1. Do the words "numerous failed fact checks" have anything to do with American political leanings?
2. I'm sure the rape victims will be comforted by knowing their ordeal is being exploited by lying rightwingers to promote their own political agenda.
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Which facts did they get wrong, what lies did they tell?

Illegal alien serial rapist exploits our immigration system and rapes multiple women and your concern is with who reports on the rapes. Shameless.
 
Bogative said:
Which facts did they get wrong, what lies did they tell?
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Nope: you first. Is a provable lie not a provable lie if the proof of that lie comes from a non-rightwing source?
While you're thinking about that, the numerous failed fact-checks on The Blaze are listed in the link I provided. You could try reading them: you might then be able to answer your own question.

Bogative said:
Illegal alien serial rapist exploits our immigration system and rapes multiple women and your concern is with who reports on the rapes. Shameless.
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Please name the source for this allegation. Bet you can't. For that matter, please cite a source proving that he is, indeed, an illegal alien, not an alleged one- and a source that predates your claim here. Again, bet you can't. You are assuming facts not in evidence, because it suits your personal biases.
I am not in any way excusing what this man did. What I am condemning is the usage of this case by rightwingers like yourself, to score political points.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Nope: you first.
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Local news story stating the facts, which came from local law enforcement, just as The Blaze did. I'll eagerly await your determination of whether reality is true based on what your preferred organization's opinion is of the source.



Please name the source for this allegation.
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I am the source. I came to that determination based on the fact that officials refused to answer the question of his legal status.



I am not in any way excusing what this man did. What I am condemning is the usage of this case by rightwingers like yourself, to score political points.
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Just ignoring what he did and scoring points by attacking your political opposition.

'Serial rape is bad but right wingers talking about is much worse.'
 
Bogative said:
Local news story stating the facts, which came from local law enforcement, just as The Blaze did. I'll eagerly await your determination of whether reality is true based on what your preferred organization's opinion is of the source.
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Read your link again. "Sources" told Fox News that the rapist was an illegal alien. That's why I asked you to name the source, because you can't: the source is not named.


Bogative said:
I am the source. I came to that determination based on the fact that officials refused to answer the question of his legal status.
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Exactly. You just made it up, in the absence of actual factual information, because it fits your biases.

Bogative said:
Just ignoring what he did and scoring points by attacking your political opposition.

'Serial rape is bad but right wingers talking about is much worse.'
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I did not say that. Don't lie: lying is wrong.
 
@Bogative:
Just to get ahead of it a bit: At some point, we will find out whether or not Sarabia is an illegal immigrant. You might be right, or you might be wrong- it's a 50/50 chance. However, should he turn out to be undocumented, that still won't vindicate you. What you are doing is basing your conclusions on facts not yet in evidence. A lucky guess is no more than that: a lucky guess. You are letting your personal biases and opinions decide what's real and what isn't, rather than waiting for the full picture, and then deciding. You're engaging with the reality you want to be true, not the reality you know to be true- and this is not a good way to live. Scientific scepticism, critical thinking- these things are a better way. I'm not telling you to change your views: what you believe is entirely your choice. I'm just saying that it's best to base those views on facts, not speculation.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
@Bogative:
Just to get ahead of it a bit: At some point, we will find out whether or not Sarabia is an illegal immigrant. You might be right, or you might be wrong- it's a 50/50 chance. However, should he turn out to be undocumented, that still won't vindicate you. What you are doing is basing your conclusions on facts not yet in evidence. A lucky guess is no more than that: a lucky guess. You are letting your personal biases and opinions decide what's real and what isn't, rather than waiting for the full picture, and then deciding. You're engaging with the reality you want to be true, not the reality you know to be true- and this is not a good way to live. Scientific scepticism, critical thinking- these things are a better way. I'm not telling you to change your views: what you believe is entirely your choice. I'm just saying that it's best to base those views on facts, not speculation.
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Not letting our personal biases and opinions decide what's real? That's an odd thing to say on this forum.


ETA: he is an illegal alien.
Eduardo Sarabia was arrested on May 13. Deputies said he's a transient and an illegal immigrant from Mexico.
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The Blaze was right about his legality the entire time. You chose to dismiss what they reported based on an organization that told you what to think, probably because they confirmed your own bias.
 
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Bogative said:
ETA: he is an illegal alien.


The Blaze was right about his legality the entire time. You chose to dismiss what they reported based on an organization that told you what to think, probably because they confirmed your own bias.
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I did not dismiss what The Blaze said at all. I merely advised against making assumptions ahead of what what actually known to be established fact. I even said this explicitly, in the post of mine you quoted.
If you dispute what Media Bias Fact Check said about The Blaze, then how about addressing the specific instances of failed fact-checks the site listed? Otherwise, you are dismissing what they reported, based on an organisation that told you what to think, probably because they confirmed your own bias.
 
We've also got a problem with people illegally crossing from Canada. Is Trump going to demand a wall along that 5,500-mile-long border and insist Canada pay for it, too?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
@Bogative:
Just to get ahead of it a bit: At some point, we will find out whether or not Sarabia is an illegal immigrant. You might be right, or you might be wrong- it's a 50/50 chance.
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You think there was a 50/50 chance he was an illegal immigrant? Did you just look at the fact there are two options, and then conclude that they're both equally probable? Do you really think that was best way to think about it?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
You think there was a 50/50 chance he was an illegal immigrant? Did you just look at the fact there are two options, and then conclude that they're both equally probable? Do you really think that was best way to think about it?
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I think I understand what you meant, but technically, given a choice between two things (right or wrong), it is a 50-50 chance. After all, when bogative made the claim, no information about his legal status was provided except for bogative's claim he was an illegal immigrant.
 
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Stacyhs said:
I think I understand what you meant, but technically, given a choice between two things (right or wrong), it is a 50-50 chance. After all, when bogative made the claim, no information about his legal status was provided except for bogative's claim he was an illegal immigrant.
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So if I say that Santa Claus exists, there's a 50/50 chance that I'm right versus wrong?
 
Stacyhs said:
I think I understand what you meant, but technically, given a choice between two things (right or wrong), it is a 50-50 chance. After all, when bogative made the claim, no information about his legal status was provided except for bogative's claim he was an illegal immigrant.
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You really need to learn about Bayesian reasoning.

You had a lot more than zero information about the prior probability of the person in that news story being an illegal immigrant.
 
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