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And, in turn, how it means the Fire Service is lying about the fire starting in a diesel car?


Amidst the shifting sands of Vixen's claims, I believe that her "explanation" of this matter is as follows:

Firstly, she would like us to buy into the idea that only one official statement has ever been released by BF&RS - that which was based on the on-scene comments of the CFO to the media the day after the fire.

And then, her fantasy requires us to believe that all subsequent BF&RS press releases (irrespective of the fact that they are indeed classified as official press releases) - up to and including the press release which explicitly states that Car Zero was an ordinary diesel vehicle and not an EV of any flavour - have just been inaccurate/overzealous attempts at rephrasing that initial media comment by nameless PR bods (presumably, per Vixen, acting without proper authority or accountability....).

I mean, of course it's all arrant, unsubstantiated, ignorant nonsense that's childishly easy to disprove if one knows anything at all about how corporations and public bodies actually work (hint to Vixen: there's no such thing as a "rogue press release"). But then this whole thread has been one steaming heap of arrant, unsubstantiated, ignorant nonsense on the part of our resident conspiracy theorist.
 
Could someone please explain what owning stock in Infosys has to do with Tata investing in a battery plant in the UK?

And, in turn, how it means the Fire Service is lying about the fire starting in a diesel car?


STAN: Well, if you caught a fish, and whoever you sold it to, they wouldn't have to pay for it, then the profits would, they'd go to the fish, if, er ... if you could ... if you caught ... <fx - blows horn>
OLLIE: I know exactly what you mean.
 
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Cry me a river.

You specifically claimed to be an expert in accounting. On no stronger a basis than your personal say-so—and ostensibly under color of this purported authority—you have accused the villain in your conspiracy theory of suspiciously arranging his finances so as to breathe life into your further claim that he is manipulating an official investigation. After scrutiny, your accusations boil down (as usual) to misconceptions and wanton ignorance of the underlying legal and financial principles. And, as usual, your claims to expertise do not absolve you from that particular error—and this time you actually made that claim and can't pretend otherwise.

If you don't like people measuring your claims and insinuations to authority according to what you can instead (fail to) demonstrate, stop doing that. If you don't like people properly questioning your claims whose basis is nothing more than your own proffered authority, stop doing that. Don't whine because your ham-fisted ploys don't fool anyone.

And as usual, if you believe you have been attacked personally or abused, report the post for moderation. Do not continue to signal your faux leniency as cover for making accusations you are unwilling to submit for adjudication.



And when you went on to try to equate this with Sunak's trust—blind or otherwise—you tipped your hand. You specifically argued that the purported secrecy endemic to this company's registration made Sunak's blind trust beyond the scope of "legal recognition by U.K. courts" and therefore suspicious. Those two concepts have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and there is no requirement that a trust or trustee be "recognized" by ,or otherwise identified to, a court in order for the trust to have legal effect.



Still not the right word or concept. You're still trying to cobble up some "Because I want it to be this way" excuse for your prior conflation of company governance with trusteeship. You're still trying to argue that a company in the Cayman Islands and Sunak's blind trust ought to have anything to do with each other.

You can do whatever you want. But at this point all your doing is confirming that you really don't know what you're talking about and that your judgment on these matters can be properly dismissed no matter how many "Masters-equivalent" certifications you claim to have in the field.



Still irrelevant to what a trust is, blind or otherwise.



"I never said I was a forensic accountant, but I was a forensic accountant."



You don't know anything so far, and there's the "on my own authority" basis that you seem to think is off-limits to point out. This is literally you making up a scenario you think might be the case, and measuring it against rules you're making up because you don't actually know what you're talking about. You have nothing to offer.

I notice you were equally contemptuously scornful of Carol Vorderman having a degree in Engineering. Not being funny, but it might be worth your reevaluating what it is that makes you so furious about Carol having a degree in engineering. I know these days she's a celeb but it might worth considering that it is not Carol's fault that you have no respect for her Engineering degree...?

Don't forget, you were the one who bullied me into telling you of my qualifications in the first place! But you just seemed to get angrier and angrier the more I revealed.

Look, I know you have a pathological hatred of conspiracy theorists because you once had a bad experience with one or two of them in the past. But you shouldn't let your jaundiced eye become blinded to the fact that not everyone is automatically a conspiracy theorist just because they have a different viewpoint from yourself.
 
Amidst the shifting sands of Vixen's claims, I believe that her "explanation" of this matter is as follows:

Firstly, she would like us to buy into the idea that only one official statement has ever been released by BF&RS - that which was based on the on-scene comments of the CFO to the media the day after the fire.

And then, her fantasy requires us to believe that all subsequent BF&RS press releases (irrespective of the fact that they are indeed classified as official press releases) - up to and including the press release which explicitly states that Car Zero was an ordinary diesel vehicle and not an EV of any flavour - have just been inaccurate/overzealous attempts at rephrasing that initial media comment by nameless PR bods (presumably, per Vixen, acting without proper authority or accountability....).

I mean, of course it's all arrant, unsubstantiated, ignorant nonsense that's childishly easy to disprove if one knows anything at all about how corporations and public bodies actually work (hint to Vixen: there's no such thing as a "rogue press release"). But then this whole thread has been one steaming heap of arrant, unsubstantiated, ignorant nonsense on the part of our resident conspiracy theorist.

I note nobody has been able to produce a video of an 'electrical fault in the engine bay of a diesel-only powered car' that looks exactly like the one released by the Romanian lady, which itself looks remarkably like a lithium-ion fire.
 
I note nobody has been able to produce a video of an 'electrical fault in the engine bay of a diesel-only powered car' that looks exactly like the one released by the Romanian lady, which itself looks remarkably like a lithium-ion fire.

Apart from the fact that this has already been addressed, many times, what would be the point since you'd just ignore it, like you're ignoring the press release that says the car was a diesel.
 
I notice you were equally contemptuously scornful of Carol Vorderman having a degree in Engineering.

Nope.

Don't forget, you were the one who bullied me into telling you of my qualifications in the first place!

Don't forget you're the one who insinuated expertise, and tried to back it up with statements like, "I had five years of physics," and "I'm a scientist," and "I have two Master's equivalents in accounting." As I said: if you don't want people asking how you know what you insinuate that you know, come up with a better basis for your arguments than, "Because I say so."

But you just seemed to get angrier and angrier the more I revealed.

Nope. But you were awfully reluctant to reveal it. Now I know why.

Look, I know you have a pathological hatred of conspiracy theorists because you once had a bad experience...

You're not a psychologist either.

...not everyone is automatically a conspiracy theorist just because they have a different viewpoint from yourself.

True. They're a conspiracy theorist when they propose conspiracy theorists. And in your case, it's not that you have a different viewpoint. You have a wrong viewpoint, predicated on speaking confidently from ignorance.
 
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But you shouldn't let your jaundiced eye become blinded to the fact that not everyone is automatically a conspiracy theorist just because they have a different viewpoint from yourself.
Do you actually believe this dumb nonsense?

No-one thinks you're a conspiracy theorist because you have a "different viewpoint".

We think you're a conspiracy theorist because you talk and act exactly like a conspiracy theorist.
 
I notice you were equally contemptuously scornful of Carol Vorderman having a degree in Engineering...

Nope.

I notice you were equally contemptuously scornful of Carol Vorderman having a degree in Engineering.

Nope...



Great minds, and all that :D.



For clarification: I am not claiming to be as knowledgeable, erudite, handsome or fragrant as JayUtah, but I was tickled by the coincidence.


That said, please note that I haven't denied these things, either.
 
I note nobody has been able to produce a video of an 'electrical fault in the engine bay of a diesel-only powered car' that looks exactly like the one released by the Romanian lady, which itself looks remarkably like a lithium-ion fire.


Uhm what now?

Read my post again. It was specifically and explicitly concerned with your "explanation" of how/why BF&RS's recent official press release - which unequivocally states that Car Zero was not an EV of any variety - might (somehow) be compatible with your theory that Car Zero was in fact an EV of some variety.

I was pointing out that you rationalise this matter by convincing yourself that the recent press releases are nothing more than lazy/incompetent/overzealous restatements (by nameless rogue internal PR bods) of the CFO's initial "we believe that..." message from the day after the fire.

What you've written above bears no resemblance whatsoever to a studied response to my post. Please try to read people's posts properly, and then (if you so choose) respond to the issue(s) raised in that post - rather than charging off down a whole different avenue.
 
So Vixen actually volunteered the info without any bullying at all.

She has always volunteered that she claimed expertise in accountancy.

I assume that for the alleged bullying she's referring to other insinuations of expertise in which considerable effort was required to get her finally to reveal that she had no relevant qualifications to support claims made ostensibly from positions of knowledge. One regarded physics. The other in recent memory involved a claim to be a scientist, for which credentials she presented her purported certificates in the "science" of accountancy.

Vixen's pall of victimhood derives from her belief never to actually claim any sort of expertise. Thus she paints her critics as improperly intrusive and personally abusive when they ask about the foundation of claims made on her own authority. I wrote extensively about the implied foundation of such claims. I've linked it twice in this thread. Vixen has not acknowledged or rebutted it. Since it lays the groundwork for the voir dire she finds so vexing, she can continue to shed crocodile tears until such time as she wishes to take it up.
 
So Vixen actually volunteered the info without any bullying at all.

Ah, be fair. That doesn't mention the 6 years of physics classes. Like, the ones where you learn that temperatures of over 400°C can only be achieved in a laboratory.
 
I notice you were equally contemptuously scornful of Carol Vorderman having a degree in Engineering. Not being funny, but it might be worth your reevaluating what it is that makes you so furious about Carol having a degree in engineering.
You are either lying about what JayUtah said or your memory really is as atrocious as it appears to be.

Quote the post where this scorn and fury of Jay's is shown.
 
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