Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[JayUtah]

I didn't say it could only be coming from a lithium battery pack, I said it very much looked like it.

Exactly. It looks like it to you. And you tacitly claim you're competent to determine this. The problem is that this has been your dispositive argument to challenge the more knowledgeable and authoritative findings of the fire department. You just can't believe they can know what they know, and you can't believe anyone would question your ability to know better.

In the diesel engine bay fire scenario caused by an electrical fault and exacerbated by a fuel leak in the power train, would the flames...

You're about to draw another conclusion from yet another cherry-picked video you dredged up and interpreted yourself inexpertly from a position of admitted ignorance.

As an example of a diesel vehicle fire...

You have no basis for determining whether this is a representative or dispositive example.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... The video LOOKS like a thermal runaway taking place, and not a fuel tank explosion, as suggested by the Romanian lady.

The video looks like a car on fire. You have no way to say what the source of the fire is. It's a ridiculous false assertion that the person who took the video claims it shows a fuel tank explosion. The lady who took the video is reported separately to have said there was an explosion which she believed was the fuel tank. That does not imply the video shows the moment of that explosion, and it plainly does not. Repeating this nonsense claim just makes you look like you're bewildered or flailing around for anything even less likely than your EV fantasy to use in a false dichotomy.

Simply repeating the same sentence by Mr. Hoskinson over and over, doesn't change its original meaning.

As we all know, that is not what has happened. Repeating your nonsense claim ad nauseam does not make it any less unconvincing.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It is shorthand ...

... which you invented, which misleads and which nobody else on the planet uses.

 

[JesseCuster]

And you have evidence of that is likely to be a "clever dick from the pro-EV lobby" that created a deepfake video of a burning diesel car in order to "wind up the anti-EV lobby"?

I'm asking for actual evidence, not ad hoc evidence free speculation about anything.

Also, do you know what a deepfake is any why it's silly to think that someone would "deepfake" a video to supposedly show a license plate? Also, to fake a video so that someone would be able to reverse engineer the license plate number and look up the vehicle registration, etc. instead of just faking a video that shows a vehicle that's clearly of a make that isn't electric.

Also, why am I asking?

Er, the person who posted the video CLAIMS to be able to read the numberplate, although nobody else can.

https://x.com/sam35634560605/status/1712190548046450723

Note this guy has zero followers.

Feel free to point me to a reputable news outlet or broadcaster who has shared this - what should be a highly-sought-after - video.

As per Vixen's MO, this in no way answers anything I asked for.

I don't care how many followers this person has on Twitter, I don't care if he claims to be able to read the number plate.

How is him having zero followings on Twitter evidence that it is likely he is an EV-lobbyist that created a fake video for the specific purpose of winding up anti-EV-lobbyists

Are you capable of actually reading a post and the questions contained therein and actually responding to them? A bizarre amount of your posts involve you quoting a post as if you're going to respond and then going off on an unrelated ramble.

What is your evidence that the video that purportedly showed the license plate is likely to be a "clever dick from the pro-EV lobby" that created a deepfake video of a burning diesel car in order to "wind up the anti-EV lobby"?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Are you capable of actually reading a post and the questions contained therein and actually responding to them? A bizarre amount of your posts involve you quoting a post as if you're going to respond and then going off on an unrelated ramble.

Answering a question is, alas, incompatible with a policy of being "six steps ahead". One can respond, but only on a tangential, barely-related subject.

 

[JayUtah]

It is shorthand for being on the Ministerial Code Register of Minister's Interest as declaring your interests as being under a blind trust...

No, it isn't. You have a history of making up words and pretending they're in common use, and then withdrawing further into a vernacular when no one similarly situated agrees with you.

I provided the definition and usage of the register of interest from the UK Parliament's web site. It doesn't agree with you. So you can either document some examples of this shorthand usage, or explain why you know more about this than Parliament.

In the meantime, I do not accept you as knowledgeable in the financial arrangements of government officials. Therefore the accusations, assumptions, and speculations you have made in that area on your own authority are rejected.

 

[JesseCuster]

blind register
in British English
NOUN
(in the United Kingdom) a list of those who are blind and are therefore entitled to financial and other benefits

Blind register as used in the UK seems to be pretty much this.

Vixen, who uses the phrase "blind register" as "shorthand for being on the Ministerial Code Register of Minister's Interest as declaring your interests as being under a blind trust"? Everyone, including you, knows you made that up.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Blind Register

ETA: Ninja'd by JesseCuster

 

[JesseCuster]

blind register
in British English
NOUN
(in the United Kingdom) a list of those who are blind and are therefore entitled to financial and other benefits

Blind register as used in the UK seems to be pretty much this.

Vixen, who uses the phrase "blind register" as "shorthand for being on the Ministerial Code Register of Minister's Interest as declaring your interests as being under a blind trust"? Everyone, including you, knows you made that up.

 

[JayUtah]

... which you invented, which misleads and which nobody else on the planet uses.

Correct. Shares in companies held in a blind trust are not required to be registered. Nor is the fact that shares are held in a blind trust. That is not how the register of interest works. It doesn't register all interests, regardless of amount or of the degree of indirection in their management. You do not register the absence of a conflict of interest.

And in the wake of former minister Jonathan Djanogly's allegedly undisclosed holdings collectively amounting to nearly half a million pounds, many are wondering if the blind trust loophole should be closed. Parliament has no rules regarding how blind trusts are to be set up and operated, and there is no rule to publicly disclose that a blind trust even exists. The documented facts clearly refute Vixen's claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lio-raises-questions-about-blind-trust-system

 

[Dabop]

Answering a question is, alas, incompatible with a policy of being "six steps ahead". One can respond, but only on a tangential, barely-related subject.

Fire responders drive red trucks with flashing lights...

 

[Vixen]

Bolding mine. You are the only one who keeps comparing this to a fuel tank explosion and no one is claiming this was a fuel tank explosion.

Have a look at this at 0:12 onwards.



https://youtu.be/ccF4xOk5ruY?si=-tj84H9GCX-5spts

Luton Airport fire: Car in flames hours before car park collapses

It's the DAILY TELEGRAPH which is deemed to be a reliable source of information.

 

[Dabop]

Except ours are yellow- but never let the facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory...
Yellow fire trucks- they are a 'deep fake' developed by politicians with financial interests in the 'red paint industry'

 

[JayUtah]

Have a look at this at 0:12 onwards.

The part where they point out that the operative judgment is from a witness who is not identified. In other parts of your argument, this is considered grounds to reject the claim.

It's the DAILY TELEGRAPH which is deemed to be a reliable source of information.

And they reliably report that the judgment of what is going on here comes from an anonymous source whose aptitude cannot be determined.

 

[Vixen]

Who? References, please.




No, because if he knew what his investments were it could give rise to a conflict of interest "for a Prime Minister who leads the law making". You still don't seem to have grasped what the purpose of the blind trust is.

I wonder whether you have?

The chancellor is under pressure to reveal where his multimillion-pound personal fortune is invested after suggestions that some of his wealth, which is managed by a so-called blind trust, could be held in offshore tax havens.

Opposition MPs and transparency campaigners on Monday called on Rishi Sunak to be “completely transparent” about where his wealth – earned over a career at the US investment bank Goldman Sachs and hedge funds – is invested in order to avoid potential conflicts of interest with his role running the UK economy.

GUARDIAN


Also:

The list of ministers’ interests does not explicitly state whether Sunak, Cameron and the other ministers have handed over their assets to trustees, formally moving the legal ownership of the shares. There is no formal legal definition of a blind trust or exactly what constitutes a sufficiently independent third party to act as a trustee.

A Spotlight on Corruption report said blind trusts were “a tool to encourage the public perception that steps have been taken to manage conflicts of interests”.

The ambiguous disclosures leave open the possibility ministers are simply using a “blind management arrangement”, where they may have an informal agreement with their fund managers not to consult them on their present holdings or make decisions on the purchase and sale of assets. Neither system has any formal oversight.

GUARDIAN

I hope it is now clear why there are concerns about Sunak's financial interests and that it is not a conspiracy theory at all. Both Sunak and his wife Akshata are business experts. There is no way the connection between them and Tata are at strictly arm's length. If they have nothing to conceal why not be totally transparent, including telling the UK taxpayer exactly how many hundreds of millions of taxpayer money has been/will be handed over to Mr. Tata as a 'taxpayer subsidy' to develop Jaguar Land Rover and lithium-ion car batteries? Surely you are entitled to have this information?

 

[JayUtah]

I wonder whether you have?

Yes. The concept of a blind trust is elementary. It's one of the classic methods of separating fiducial interests from financial interests. You wrongly conflated that with the concept of the ministerial register of interests.

I hope it is now clear why there are concerns about Sunak's financial interests and that it is not a conspiracy theory at all.

Concern over politicians lining their pockets with gains from public service has been operative for hundreds if not thousands of years. What remains a conspiracy theory is your specific accusation that PM Sunak has manipulated the investigation of the Luton fire in order to protect his interests.

 

[Matthew Best]

One upshot is that Musk is now appointing an army of ordinary users to counter these with 'community notes' (of which I am one),

Why does this not surprise me?

 

[Vixen]

And and the 1678 date is for "muck and money go together" being recorded in John Ray's "A Collection of English Proverbs" (thank you Zooterkin) not "Where there's muck there's brass" or even "Where there's brass theres muck" as Vixen misquoted it.

The actual saying that Vixen has been trying to impose her own meaning on can be found on Oxford Reference here-: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100214209

Which gives the entirely unambiguous meaning-:



As has already been posted twice

The reason "muck" was lucrative has also been discussed-:




The idea that the saying "Where there's muck there's brass" implies corruption in the UK is laughable.

Incidentally, Sir Terry Pritchett, who's works while fictional, fantastic & comic included a fair bit of historical detail on the quiet, had a character who was the very embodiment of the saying. While the character and setting are fictional and exaggerated for effect, businesses of this type existed and prospered.
https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Harry_King

I don't think anyone said 'corruption', just the association with muck (as in its original meaning) with filth and nastiness and money (or, as in old days, association with metals such as gold, silver and latter, brass alloys).

Here is what my Oxford English: the Written and Spoken Word says. Note it explains the meaning.

from Oxfor English: the Written & Spoken Word by Username Vixen, on Flickr

So, associating the richest man in England (richer than the King) with muck is completely apposite and is nothing at all to do with Sunak working hard.

The Concise English Dictionary by Username Vixen, on Flickr

When I looked up my other phrase, 'gilding the lily' which I said Smart Cooky was doing with his 19,000 burning cars I was surprised to see modern day google saying it means, 'do not paint the flower as it is beautiful enough already' (...as if that is what people do).

 

[Matthew Best]

Here is what my Oxford English: the Written and Spoken Word says. Note it explains the meaning.

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53711894964_3dd38be9f1_z.jpg[/qimg]from Oxfor English: the Written & Spoken Word by Username Vixen, on Flickr

Yeah, but you said something completely different. You said "where's the brass there's muck".

 

[Dabop]

Why does this not surprise me?

In this case, its a case of the blind leading the blind...