Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Vixen]

You've gone on at length about how it is a deep fake.



Or for Range Rover to have reputation damage.

You still haven't addressed the contradiction in your conspiracy theory.

I have never said Sunak created the 2014 Sport video.

 

[JayUtah]

I have never said Sunak created the 2014 Sport video.

Regardless, it would hurt Sunak's purported interests just as effectively as if there were evidence it was an EV. According to you, Sunak is all about ministerial overreach when it's about muzzling the press and telling them to lie for him. But he's powerless to stop some wonk on Twitter from blabbing equally potentially hurtful information.

 

[Steve]

I have never said Sunak created the 2014 Sport video.

This really is lousy performance art, isn't it?

 

[JesseCuster]

If that is the case the likelihood is that the creator is some clever dick from the pro-EV lobby wanting to wind up the perceived anti-EV lobby.

And you have evidence of that is likely to be a "clever dick from the pro-EV lobby" that created a deepfake video of a burning diesel car in order to "wind up the anti-EV lobby"?

I'm asking for actual evidence, not ad hoc evidence free speculation about anything.

Also, do you know what a deepfake is any why it's silly to think that someone would "deepfake" a video to supposedly show a license plate? Also, to fake a video so that someone would be able to reverse engineer the license plate number and look up the vehicle registration, etc. instead of just faking a video that shows a vehicle that's clearly of a make that isn't electric.

Also, why am I asking?

 

[JayUtah]

This really is lousy performance art, isn't it?

And getting worse.

We still don't have an answer to the blind trust question. Vixen bills herself as a stellar accountant whose investigative prowess saved the UK hundreds of millions of pounds in detected fraud. Yet she doesn't seem to know what a blind trust is, the most common accounting method of separating competing fiduciary and financial interests. She doesn't grasp that a blind trust and a register of interests are reciprocal concepts. She muddles them together into a "blind register"—a non-existent and inherently contradictory thing that smacks of frantic Googling with no real understanding.

Again, she claims this expertise as a means of assuring us that statements made upon her own authority on the subject of investigating the Luton fire should have credibility because they are founded upon a solid foundation of experience in investigation. But the evidence she presents disputes that foundation. It seems she's just making up stuff there too.

 

[smartcooky]

What? AFAIAA the 2014 Range Rover Sport theory appeared on X-Twitter and none of the national press has been able to use it as authentic. I have no idea who took the video or created it, if fake. However, you can see someone hovering in the background of the Romanian lady's video, so there could have been someone at the front also filming it.

We haven't been given any confirmation of the car model (even though common consensus is that it is a Range Rover) so obviously there is a press embargo. Possibly connected to the ongoing investigation.

Question dodged, as usual!

 

[whoanellie]

I saw many many people saying it looked like a lithium-ion fire and noticing that the make model and year has not been revealed, aroused my curiosity as to why not. Why it was so important to emphasize immediately that it was a diesel.

Q) Why is it so important?
A) Because it was a diesel.
Q) Why the repeated statements that it was a diesel?
A) Despite the repeated statements of this fact there are kooks on the internet who insist it was something else.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I recently provided an example of you lying in this post here.

You just ignored me and pretended the post didn't exist.

Well Vixen?

 

[Dabop]

Was it the W124 (E Class)? The last great Merc (before the accountants ruined them). Best car I ever owned and my first PCP, back in the '90s.

Kinda just a tiny bit bigger than an E class- in fact it can carry an E class on its back (its a 8 tonne Mercedes tilt-tray (rollback for the yanks)

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I have never said Sunak created the 2014 Sport video.

You really need to stop responding to the movie you're running in your head where you are a daring investigator and we are all rubes and actually respond to the real questions and points people are raising.

 

[JayUtah]

You really need to stop responding to the movie you're running in your head where you are a daring investigator and we are all rubes and actually respond to the real questions and points people are raising.

To be fair, this isn't the first time she's raised the possibility that it was just some random troublemaker who made up the Range Rover video. But then again it's not the only possibility she's raised. As has been pointed out, Vixen never actually concludes anything. Which means she's absolutely worthless as an investigator.

 

[Dabop]

In general, pumps can blow much harder than they can suck. And all pumps are limited to a certain quantity by which they can raise the pressure from inlet to discharge. In rockets, we often rely on tank ullage pressure, and then on two stages of impeller-type pumps. In airplanes we often employ fuel boost pumps.

In automotive design, especially for high-performance vehicles, the industry is switching to injecting fuel directly into the combustion chamber rather than into the intake tract. This requires much higher injector pressure (i.e., > 10 MPa), since the injector must now fully atomize the fuel and cannot rely on natural atomization during flow down the manifold. Practically this requires a two-stage pump system. The low-pressure side still operates at 300-500 kPa, which is around what we used for manifold injectors at the rail.

There simply is no such thing as a non-pressurized fuel system anymore in a modern hydrocarbon-fueled passenger vehicle. You either have injector inlet pressure being created in the tank with the pump we've been using for decades, or inlet pressure created by boosting fuel delivery pressure in the engine compartment from the standard tank pump to the very high injector pressure.

If a vehicle's ICE engine is running, the notion that it cannot produce jets of flame is absurd.

This is an older diesel as I said- the tank is not pressurised in any way, and it has no pump on or near the tank unlike newer ones, the first actual pump is the manual lift pump (used for priming) with is actually in the engine bay about 1.5m off the ground!!! (yes I did mean 1.5m- its in the enginebay of a Mercedes truck...)

The liftpump is in the engine bay, right at the top just under the windscreen- for scale- thats a normal garden spade, and an 8ft ladder...
It relies entirely on suction to the engine bay... unfortunately...
(due to its age, its starting to get 'porous lines' and loses its prime if left longer than a couple of days without starting)

 

[Dabop]

I did know that but always useful to have a recap, thanks.

So why claim that a 'jet of flame' (actual colour unknown because of the variability of the camera settings and display settings) could only be coming from a lithium battery pack?

When it could most certainly come from a diesel powered vehicle???

Which we KNOW from the Fire brigades websites release it most certainly was????

From a location where the fuel line is running???

 

[smartcooky]

To be fair, this isn't the first time she's raised the possibility that it was just some random troublemaker who made up the Range Rover video. But then again it's not the only possibility she's raised. As has been pointed out, Vixen never actually concludes anything. Which means she's absolutely worthless as an investigator.

I know this guy off the interwebz who has a saying...

"Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric it to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution"

I think you might know this guy Jay.

 

[Mojo]

Vixen, if I said to you my sister has a pet, it's a quadruped with a tail and fur that meows and has retractable claws do you think I could then be dismissive of people who asked me about my sister's cat? Afterall I never said it was a cat.

There's circumstantial evidence that it's a dog.

 

[Dabop]

There's circumstantial evidence that it's a dog.

One of our cats use to bark like a dog, it actually isn't that uncommon...
So perhaps it is actually a dog in disguise as a cat... that would be a possibility...
(not ours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIfcmDI9K4

 

[Mojo]

There's circumstantial evidence that it's a dog.

One of our cats use to bark like a dog, it actually isn't that uncommon...
So perhaps it is actually a dog in disguise as a cat... that would be a possibility...
(not ours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIfcmDI9K4

https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11145034#post11145034

 

[Blue Mountain]

And getting worse.

We still don't have an answer to the blind trust question. Vixen bills herself as a stellar accountant whose investigative prowess saved the UK hundreds of millions of pounds in detected fraud. Yet she doesn't seem to know what a blind trust is, the most common accounting method of separating competing fiduciary and financial interests.
(Respectful snip)

It's possible she was working in an office that did this work, possibly as a data entry clerk.

What I find curious is she has been quite insistent that she has training in accountancy, even to an advanced level. I'm generally of the opinion one doesn't freely lie about these things because being revealed as a fraud would be devastating. Yet, as you point out, she consistently makes blunders like "blind registry," which one would not expect from a trained accountant.

Unfortunately, the only way to get to the truth of this would be to doxx her and find out what her background truly is. But that's seriously frowned upon here, for good reason.

 

[Dabop]

It's possible she was working in an office that did this work, possibly as a data entry clerk.

What I find curious is she has been quite insistent that she has training in accountancy, even to an advanced level. I'm generally of the opinion one doesn't freely lie about these things because being revealed as a fraud would be devastating. Yet, as you point out, she consistently makes blunders like "blind registry," which one would not expect from a trained accountant.

Unfortunately, the only way to get to the truth of this would be to doxx her and find out what her background truly is. But that's seriously frowned upon here, for good reason.

At this point, we only have Vixen's word for it that she ever was a 'advanced level accountant'- which means that it could be taken with a grain of salt, as she has already demonstrated repeatedly that taking anything she says could be 'misleading', and given the several basic failures to grasp even basic accountancy concepts... well...
But as many have already noted, even an advanced level of 'accountant training' gives no advantage when it comes to other areas (and indeed even make them make mistakes because of their beliefs about their area of expertise giving them sufficient ability to perform in other areas...)

 

[malbui]

I've probably mentioned this before but I qualified with the ICAEW more than thirty years ago and the key principle I have taken from my training and all my experience is that I'm good with debits and credits but that it's always worthwhile deferring to specialists in taxes, valuations, consolidations, actuarial calculations, the application of specific standards, and a whole bunch of other clever things. And that's purely within the field of mainstream accounting.