Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[junkshop]

I suspect someone was reaching for "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime" (Balzac)
but came up a bit short.

I suspect that that's an overly generous suspicion.

 

[zooterkin]

My Oxford English attributes it to someone called J. Ray who used it in 1678 English proverbs as 'muck and money go together', which is similar to my sense.

I see your usual attention to detail.

John Ray recorded the saying "muck and money go together" in his publication, A Collection of English Proverbs (1678).


(The full, rather cumbersome, title being: A collection of English proverbs digested into a convenient method for the speedy finding any one upon occasion : with short annotations : whereunto are added local proverbs with their explications, old proverbial rhythmes, less known or exotick proverbial sentences, and Scottish proverbs.)


And do, please, enlighten us as to what exactly your sense is, you have yet to make it clear what you think the saying means.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I suspect that that's an overly generous suspicion.

It's rather a good line though. One I hadn't heard before.

 

[junkshop]

It's rather a good line though. One I hadn't heard before.

Same.

 

[JayUtah]

Thanks for the clarification.

Where is your evidence that the designers and builders of the Luton parking structure were required to conform to the advice of NFPA?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I have not at any point said the fire brigade has acted improperly. You are the one claiming 'they must be lying'.


I am sure you know perfectly well how organisations work.

So you agree with their statement that the car was a diesel and not an EV or hybrid of any sort?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Exactly. When I was a kid we called '****' dog's muck or bird's muck.

Now think of the word 'brass'. How did money come to be its slang, bearing in mind coins haven't always been available for the common people who use common terms such as 'muck'.

Why do you think coins haven't been available for the 'common people'?

What do we use?

 

[junkshop]

Why do you think coins haven't been available for the 'common people'?

What do we use?

Turnips.

 

[JesseCuster]

Does Vixen think that in the 17th century, the common people in England didn't have access to coins?

Why am I even asking, it's another bizarre derailment here Vixen makes a pig's ear out of understanding the simplest of things...

 

[JesseCuster]

So in the 17th century in England, common people didn't use coins, therefore the phrase "where there's muck there's brass" means what Vixen declares it to be?

 

[JayUtah]

Vixen makes a pig's ear out of understanding the simplest of things...

But you can't make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

But you can't make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.

And Shakespeare said that so it must be true!

 

[JesseCuster]

It is hardly a 'conspiracy theory' when it is current affairs news...

It's exactly a conspiracy theory when you declare (withg a verty high degree of confidence) that there is a conspiracy to cover up the case of the Luton car park fire, in order to protect the financial interests of the British prime minister and that it involves junior ministers writing press statements for the Bedfordshire fire department lying about the cause of the fire, deepfake videos, and all the other crazy crap you've posted in this thread.

It's not a current affairs news item, everything you post is straight out of Conspiracy Theory 101.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Does Vixen think that in the 17th century, the common people in England didn't have access to coins?

Why am I even asking, it's another bizarre derailment here Vixen makes a pig's ear out of understanding the simplest of things...

"In 1486 the egg replaced the worm as the lowest form of currency" according to that great historian Richard Curtis.

 

[JayUtah]

"In 1486 the egg replaced the worm as the lowest form of currency" according to that great historian Richard Curtis.

But then at some point it became the turnip. —Baldrick

 

[P.J. Denyer]

But then at some point it became the turnip. —Baldrick

Have you seen the price of a nice little turnip of your own in the country?

 

[junkshop]

So in the 17th century in England, common people didn't use coins, therefore the phrase "where there's muck there's brass" means what Vixen declares it to be?

As any fule no, back in the days of yore the most plentiful source of copper was horse **** (hence fossilised poo being called copralite: the copper had been removed, so it was copper light).

Likewise, zinc was distilled from pig **** (although modern English has not memorialised this connection, due to forrin interference. Blame the Normans, that's what I do).

The Upper Classes used the forelock-tugging deference inherent in the proles to claim all livestock feces as their birthright, thereby retaining all brass for themselves*, and creating a coinless underclass that had to make do with root vegetable based barter.

This system famously collapsed when Ian Anderson discovered that bull **** was a better source of both elements.


*This is where the tradition of referring to the well-to-do as 'Lord/Lady Muck' originates. Originally an honorific, it only took on it's modern meaning in the Progressive era that Anderson was a part of.

 

[Vixen]

Here:

If it is legal, it is not corrupt.

 

[zooterkin]

If it is legal, it is not corrupt.

Poppycock.

Also, as usual, completely irrelevant to the question you were asked.

 

[Mojo]

If it is legal, it is not corrupt.

You are claiming that there's a conspiracy to hush up the cause of a major fire in order to protect the private investments of a senior politician. That's corrupt.