Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Jack by the hedge]

It's your document. That document is an in-house handbook. It is largely concerned with in-house leadership skills in handling fire-related incidents.

You don't think firefighters can use in-house skills to tell the press about their work fighting fires? I think they probably can.

 

[Vixen]

I am. <snip>

Please quit the personalised insults.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Please quit the personalised insults.

I'm accurately describing your behaviour.

Care to deal with the fact that you were wrong about the EU standardising the font of VRM plates?

 

[Vixen]

You don't think firefighters can use in-house skills to tell the press about their work fighting fires? I think they probably can.

I did not say they cannot. I simply stated that in a serious incident such as this, a statement will have been carefully prepared and is not just an ad hoc chatting off the cuff.

 

[zooterkin]

Focus on the topic.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No. The first burning cars were on Level 3. Therefore it is logical that Level 4 started burning afterwards.

That's not in dispute. I'm not sure quite where your confusion originates, but it's a constant surprise.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I did not say they cannot. I simply stated that in a serious incident such as this, a statement will have been carefully prepared and is not just an ad hoc chatting off the cuff.

You went a lot further than that. You suggested a conspiracy going right up to the government to manipulate information and mislead the public.

 

[Vixen]

You went a lot further than that. You suggested a conspiracy going right up to the government to manipulate information and mislead the public.

I have not said it was a conspiracy. It is a fact that the Prime Minister has given Tata, the 100% owners of Jaguar Land Rover, hundreds of millions of taxpayer money as a 'subsidy' to build car batteries and EV's. This is factual, not mythical. None of the press has confirmed it was a JLR vehicle involved in the Luton fire, together with an insistence on Day One it was a diesel car fire. Thus it is obviously propaganda spin and a press embargo. It is a matter of fact that the Prime Minister's wife's father is a close acquaintance of Mr. Tata. It is also a fact that the Prime Minister has declined to let UK taxpayers know how much he has handed Tata of UK taxpayer money as a non-refundable grant.

What exactly is the conspiracy theory?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I have not said it was a conspiracy. It is a fact that the Prime Minister has given Tata, the 100% owners of Jaguar Land Rover, hundreds of millions of taxpayer money as a 'subsidy' to build car batteries and EV's. This is factual, not mythical. None of the press has confirmed it was a JLR vehicle involved in the Luton fire, together with an insistence on Day One it was a diesel car fire. Thus it is obviously propaganda spin and a press embargo. It is a matter of fact that the Prime Minister's wife's father is a close acquaintance of Mr. Tata. It is also a fact that the Prime Minister has declined to let UK taxpayers know how much he has handed Tata of UK taxpayer money as a non-refundable grant.

What exactly is the conspiracy theory?

That bit. The bit where you lie about reality to match your conspiracy theory.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You are aware that not all EU countries use the same font, right?

Part of my job is literally looking at number plates from all over the world, including the EU, and the EU does not have a standardised font.

FE-Schrift for example is used in only 6 countries in the EU.

The UK, which if you recall is where Luton is, not only uses a different font, but does allow some minor variations in the font used by people.

Sorry Glenn, but HEY VIXEN. Care to deal with the fact that you made a statement that was wrong and I demonstrated so?

 

[gabeygoat]

But maybe it was an electric driver. Why aren't they telling us?

This is by far my favorite idea in this thread.
Electric Driver, problem solved.

 

[Dabop]

I will say, speaking as someone whose job sometimes includes dealing with LEZ/ULEZ/Congestion Charge camera images showing cloned plates, sometimes people clone a plate and whack it on any old vehicle.

As an aside to this- IF the diesel vehicle that was the source of the ignition WAS running cloned plates, then it would have been shown clearly early on that they were cloned, as they very quickly would have gotten them from the CCTV camera system and looked up the actual plates owner, who would have been 'huh??? fire, no mate, not mine, its parked in the driveway behind you... '
A quick VIN check, and 'sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day'

So the plate owner would never have been interviewed past that point (let alone been arrested lol) as the police and fire services are all aware that cloning exists and is an issue...

Or did (dons a particular deer hat) the PM order the secret squirrel service MIII 9 1/2 to 'disappear' the real vehicle away so their nefarious plan to discredit EV's to save the PM and Tata from being exposed as criminal masterminds pocketing billions while evilly twirling their moustaches, and they had to arrest the real owner to stop him blowing the whistle on their brilliant plan by driving the heavily modified EV (by being converted to a diesel) to a press conference....

 

[Andy_Ross]

Have a look at page 138 as a good example.

Philp is the Minister responsible for the policing and fire departments. The department itself is run by a bunch of civil servants.

He would expect to be briefed about any serious incident. It doesn't mean he plays an active part other than being kept updated.

But just a couple of pages ago you said he ordered the fire service and police to lie about th cause of the fire and cover it up in a criminal conspiracy.

 

[Vixen]

But just a couple of pages ago you said he ordered the fire service and police to lie about th cause of the fire and cover it up in a criminal conspiracy.

No, YOU said he ordered the fire service and police to lie about th cause of the fire and cover it up in a criminal conspiracy.

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, YOU said he ordered the fire service and police to lie about th cause of the fire and cover it up in a criminal conspiracy.

You said he minister handed the fire service a script and told them what to say. You say it was an EV and the fire service were told to lie and say it's a diesel.

Make your mind up.

 

[Vixen]

That's not in dispute. I'm not sure quite where your confusion originates, but it's a constant surprise.

There is no confusion at all. Where the first flame appears on Level 4, as recorded on CCTV on that level, it is exactly above the car on Level 3, which is the car that started the fire. In other words, the heat DID travel upwards causing the fuels in the floor drainage on Level Four beneath the aforesaid first Level Four car to ignite, as a result of the ceiling immediately above the first burning car on Level 3 igniting.

 

[Vixen]

You said he minister handed the fire service a script and told them what to say. You say it was an EV and the fire service were told to lie and say it's a diesel.

Make your mind up.

I said nothing of the sort. I said it was a carefully prepared statement.


You are the one claiming Hopkinson was lying. But he didn't lie.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I said nothing of the sort. I said it was a carefully prepared statement.


You are the one claiming Hopkinson was lying. But he didn't lie.

The fire service have confirmed it was a diesel car. He's the boss of the fire service. Do you think the official statement that it was a diesel and not any form of electric wasn't approved or authorised by him?

You seem to be agreeing that it was a diesel car if you think the fire service aren't telling lies.

 

[novaphile]

I'll just leave this here:

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Anyone who doubts Vixen's expertise and experience should pay attention to this.

Point being made is that the police and the fire brigade can't just assume the numberplate on an ANPR is legitimate, especially in a serious incident and the driver presumed to have flown out of the country. In an incident such as this, you have to think the worst and not assume any one particular car is the culprit too readily. Organised criminals might well have a decoy, for example. The video uploaded by the Romanian lady could have come from another event for all they know at that stage.

Vixen is really good at the highlighted task.

Don't be daft.

We shouldn't tell people not to do what they're best at.