Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[phiwum]

About that hospital incident. Vixen omitted some relevant passages:

In a statement issued to the BBC, Alder Hey hospital said following advice from Merseyside Fire and Rescue it had "temporarily restricted the parking of electric vehicles in one of our smaller car parks while we upgrade its fire sprinkler system."

"Electric vehicles are still able to park in our main Hospital car park", it continued, pointing out it also had 14 spaces with EV charging points.

So, I'm not sure why she speculated that this car park was large, when the article actually mentioned that it was one of their smaller ones.

Moreover, the main car park is still running as normal and in fact has a decent number of EV spaces.

This is not evidence of a panic over the dangers of EV batteries. Moreover, it obviously does NOT give evidence regarding the cause of the Luton fire. Just another red herring.

 

[smartcooky]

And what does, 'something that happens over 19,000 times annually in the UK' have to do with anything other than your trying to gild the lily?

You claim to be an intelligent person, you see if you can work it out. FFS, I have given you enough clues.
When you fail, I will explain it to you in one-syllable words, because that appears to be all you are capable of understanding.

 

[JayUtah]

Why would he even give out that information unless it was for propaganda purposes, or to use a euphemism, 'crisis management'.

Begging the question—again.

As many criminals use dodgy vehicles, since when did the police ever take for granted what some driver in a very serious accident tells them?

How many serious accidents have you investigated as a police officer?

This guy is believed to have got on a flight shortly after! Why would they presume he was of good character and even if he was, why put out the information the same day as though it was of great importance that people do not suspect an electrical fire. This is an absurd belief, if the fire on the roof was a whole load of frigging EV's shooting lithium flames all over the place,

Wanton, fact-free conspiracy mongering.

 

[JayUtah]

...when the investigation cannot possibly have even started beyond being opened.

You say this from your vast experience investigating accidents?

 

[JayUtah]

So in other words...

This entire post is nothing but one big, "Because I say so."

Insulting UK taxpayers' intelligence by claiming, nothing to see here, it was just a diesel so that's all right then as absolutely par for the course in the UK. Politicians are rarely called to account. And people just accept it as normal behaviour. <shrug>

No, you're not smarter than everyone else.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

I'd like to say that I can confirm that I'm a human. I'm not a Reptilian, Zetan, Grey, Reticulan or any other form of space alien bent on obtaining "delicious human meats".

What about a mild alien hybrid?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

He who makes the claim should substantiate the claim.

YOU made the claim that the photos of the car burning were faked

YOU own the burden to support that claim.

You're the one who has made the claim that this is a conspiracy. Your "proof" of that has been laughable.

Vixen is disclaiming her responsibility to substantiate her claims. In the English-speaking part of the world, it must be a day that ends in "y".

Theory 1. A man drives a diesel vehicle to park in a multi storey car park. The car has a fault that causes a fire (something that happens over 19,000 times annually in the UK). The man tries to put out the fire but fails to do so. The fire spreads so other vehicles and ultimately burns the whole car park down.

Your Theory 1. You are completely clueless if you believe car parks are burnt down 19,000 times a year, and totally ill-informed. There has not been one structural collapse of a multi-storey car park in the UK because of fire until Luton Airport car park 2023.

Ye gods

Are you OK?

You needn't be concerned. Spectacular failure to understand English sentences is, for Vixen, perfectly normal behavior.

Canonical example:

The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.​

You are completely clueless if you think that is what it was meant.

At this point, I cannot believe you are doing anything beyond deliberately acting stupid, and bare-faced lying to intentionally miss the point.

Whereas I believe it's not butter.

 

[Mojo]

Liverpool was caused by a diesel car, Luton from the images, intensity and jetting out of lithium-ion-like flames and enough heat to collapse one half of the entire structure within two hours of it being called a 'critical incident', almost certainly was not an innocuous diesel fire caused by an electrical fault in the engine bay, as quoted by an AA boff on day one as one of the most common causes of car fire.

I see we're back to the claim that after it had spread to other vehicles the nature of the fire was still determined by the type of vehicle it started in.

 

[Georg]

It is your position that BF&RS is lying when it states it confirms that Car Zero was an ordinary diesel car and not an EV of any flavour?

I doubt that she will state so that clear.
There will be more insinuations, pussyfooting around or simply not answering that question.

Has she answered yet?

 

[zooterkin]

Perhaps the one at Luton read, 'RIS41'.

I'll get my coat.

Ahem.

We don't joke about these things.

 

[zooterkin]

The ONLY explanation is that Hopkinson was ordered to say that by the government.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

And would make it lighter to carry.

The practical solution to the hassle & expense of city parking.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You wrote:







Why did you frame it that way except to try to convey it was an everyday occurrence for 'The fire spreads so other vehicles and ultimately burns the whole car park down', together with the figure of 19,000 to make out it was normal for this to happen? I simply pointed out, citing an official Fire Report dated 2019, that a structural collapse of a car park had never happened in the UK as of that date.







Not an everyday occurrence after all, then.

You're doing the equivalent of noting a forest fire and thinking there must have been something specially malevolent about whatever started it.

Magical thinking.

(Edit) Reading again, it's much stupider than that. You read a sentence which said a car fire started (which happens thousands of times per year). But you interpreted the part in brackets as if it applied to the next sentence.

Is this going to be some unique writing style guide they taught in your school?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Be that as it may but we haven't been given any information about the driver at all. All we have been told is that 'It is not an electric vehicle'...!

I'm content for the driver to have this protection from crazy people.
If he ever gets charged with an offence we'll be entitled to know.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It's not suspicious to have a media silence whilst there is an ongoing investigation into a serious incident. What was surprising here was the announcement it was not an EV. Then we heard nothing at all as to the cause of the Bristol or the Gatwick fires. Then today, news update that a hospital is stopping EV's from parking until it updates its sprinkler system



But if an EV is harmless, why even go to great lengths to say so, and why would the hospital suddenly start worrying about a sprinkler system in the face of EV's, unless there is a memo going around...?

You don't realise the "memo" is you and the other conspiracy theorists.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Okay, so now we have evidence that a facility manager at one UK hospital is sufficiently taken in by ill informed speculation and conspiracy theories to set a temporary parking restriction. Big whoops!

 

[smartcooky]

You're doing the equivalent of noting a forest fire and thinking there must have been something specially malevolent about whatever started it.

Magical thinking.

(Edit) Reading again, it's much stupider than that. You read a sentence which said a car fire started (which happens thousands of times per year). But you interpreted the part in brackets as if it applied to the next sentence.

Is this going to be some unique writing style guide they taught in your school?

Indeed...

"David has a pet spider (which like most other spiders, has 8 legs). He also has a cat."

Vixen would interpret this as me claiming David has an eight-legged cat!

 

[zooterkin]

Looks like the industry is taking on board the ramifications of the Luton Airport Fire. Report today:

BBC

Further down in the article, it is hilarious to see all the usual suspects popping up with all the tired old arguments (so much denial!):



Zzzzzz. Missing the point by a mile, as we have come to expect.

So, you believe part of the article; what is stopping you from believing this bit?

He also pointed out that a recent car fire which closed Luton Airport was started by a vehicle running on diesel fuel, not electric as some initial reports claimed.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You're doing the equivalent of noting a forest fire and thinking there must have been something specially malevolent about whatever started it.

You can pinch out a cigarette with your fingers, there's no way that one could burn down a house....

 

[Vixen]

You claim to be an intelligent person, you see if you can work it out. FFS, I have given you enough clues.
When you fail, I will explain it to you in one-syllable words, because that appears to be all you are capable of understanding.

I have never claimed any such thing. You are the one with the avatar.