Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[JayUtah]

Haven't some people invoked holograms to explain their 9-11 CTs? There would be precedent, is all I'm saying.

Yes, they have. That Vixen so far has not does not make her approach any more rational.

 

[Vixen]

Up all night? You're really bad at this.

That the man was arrested ten days later does not indicate (as you appear to imagine) that he was on the run for ten days. There's no good reason to suppose he ran away. There's no good reason to suppose he wasn't entirely cooperative with the fire service and police.

Having had the driver tell them what happened and give them his details it would take moments to check his car's history. It would take the car park owners moments to confirm the car's number plate from when it entered the structure.

You're clutching at straws and it shows.

Every year approximately 13,000 people are convicted of cloning numberplates or having false numberplates. Criminals clone numberplates.

Something like 2% of all vehicles on the road are unlicensed.

About 16,000 people every year are caught without insurance or a valid driving licence.

5,500 Range Rovers are stolen every year.

Question: how can Mr. Hopkinson state confidently that the car involved in the fire was a 'diesel' only and that it was accidental? True, he did qualify his comments but within a day or so the website was stating it as fact, as was full fact.

Yet 25% of vehicles and 40% of the car park remains in place where they burnt down.


The ONLY explanation is that Hopkinson was ordered to say that by the government.

The reason being to protect the Tata Jaguar Land Rover brand, which had just been given a huge amount of taxpayer money for nothing.

 

[Vixen]

It is your position that BF&RS is lying when it states it confirms that Car Zero was an ordinary diesel car and not an EV of any flavour?

When a statement is written by lawyers it becomes a get-out clause.

 

[Steve]

Yes, they have. That Vixen so far has not does not make her approach any more rational.

Exhibit A:

Every year approximately 13,000 people are convicted of cloning numberplates or having false numberplates. Criminals clone numberplates.

Something like 2% of all vehicles on the road are unlicensed.

About 16,000 people every year are caught without insurance or a valid driving licence.

5,500 Range Rovers are stolen every year.

Question: how can Mr. Hopkinson state confidently that the car involved in the fire was a 'diesel' only and that it was accidental? True, he did qualify his comments but within a day or so the website was stating it as fact, as was full fact.

Yet 25% of vehicles and 40% of the car park remains in place where they burnt down.


The ONLY explanation is that Hopkinson was ordered to say that by the government.

The reason being to protect the Tata Jaguar Land Rover brand, which had just been given a huge amount of taxpayer money for nothing.

 

[Steve]

When a statement is written by lawyers it becomes a get-out clause.

You should try answering the question.

 

[Mojo]

When a statement is written by lawyers it becomes a get-out clause.

Being written by lawyers doesn't change the meaning of a statement. Are you claiming that the statement is false?

 

[Vixen]

Just to remind you: if it's blind, Sunak doesn't know.

But his wife does! Are you seriously claiming that Akshata Murthy doesn't mention her investments, (just like a fragrant baroness had a very nice surprise when her <ahem!> investor husband sent her £62m as present via the taxpayer).

This idea that politicians are naturally honourable has to stop.

 

[Vixen]

I notice this isn't a question.


Which witnesses say the fire started on the roof of the car park with no ceiling? Please look carefully yourself, and indicate any who say that explicitly (rather than any who say they saw "the top floor" on fire, perhaps unaware that there is a roof level too).

This guy for one:

Russell Taylor flew into the airport from Edinburgh. He told PA Media: “There were a couple of fire engines with a car ablaze on the upper floor of the car park at just after 9pm. A few minutes later most of the upper floor was alight, car alarms were going off with loud explosions from cars going up in flames. The speed in which the fire took hold was incredible.”

ibid any newspaper dated 11 oct 2023.

Just browse the early images for yourself.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I'd like to say that I can confirm that I'm a human. I'm not a Reptilian, Zetan, Grey, Reticulan or any other form of space alien bent on obtaining "delicious human meats".

Well, you would say that!

 

[Mojo]

But his wife does!

Not according to you:

...and who knows how much investment he or his wife have in Tata. (All 'blind' of course!)

 

[Vixen]

By coincidence, when I went out to get some lunch, a Maybach drove past with the number plate B7. That plate probably cost something commensurate with buying a Maybach.

Reminds me of seeing a Rolls Royce years ago with PEN 1 S. I'm told that was Paul Raymond the porn publisher.

Perhaps the one at Luton read, 'RIS41'.

I'll get my coat.

 

[Vixen]

Column N, row 1.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it isn't authentic. Your attempts to do so have failed completely.

He who makes the claim should substantiate the claim.

 

[Mojo]

I notice this isn't a question.


Which witnesses say the fire started on the roof of the car park with no ceiling? Please look carefully yourself, and indicate any who say that explicitly (rather than any who say they saw "the top floor" on fire, perhaps unaware that there is a roof level too).

This guy for one:

Russell Taylor flew into the airport from Edinburgh. He told PA Media: “There were a couple of fire engines with a car ablaze on the upper floor of the car park at just after 9pm. A few minutes later most of the upper floor was alight, car alarms were going off with loud explosions from cars going up in flames. The speed in which the fire took hold was incredible.”

ibid any newspaper dated 11 oct 2023.

Just browse the early images for yourself.

That doesn't say the fire started on the roof.

 

[Vixen]

I assumed that the driver of the initial car that caught fire, the person that used the extinguisher unsuccessfully, didn't just leave their blazing car and continue on to their flight. I figured the driver lingered at least until the fire department arrived then told the firefighters what happened and provided information on the car.

There is zero confirmation that the man who was arrested and subsequently absolved was even the driver.


There were lots of reports of people attempting to break in to the sealed-off car park.

On the balance of probabilities it likely was the driver but if he went off abroad immediately after, who is to say he could not be suspected of criminal behaviour, such as arson or terrorism (it is an airport: an ideal location from which to escape).

Immediately in the aftermath of 7/10, too.

 

[gabeygoat]

Every year approximately 13,000 people are convicted of cloning numberplates or having false numberplates. Criminals clone numberplates.

Something like 2% of all vehicles on the road are unlicensed.

About 16,000 people every year are caught without insurance or a valid driving licence.

5,500 Range Rovers are stolen every year.

Question: how can Mr. Hopkinson state confidently that the car involved in the fire was a 'diesel' only and that it was accidental? True, he did qualify his comments but within a day or so the website was stating it as fact, as was full fact.

Yet 25% of vehicles and 40% of the car park remains in place where they burnt down.


The ONLY explanation is that Hopkinson was ordered to say that by the government.

The reason being to protect the Tata Jaguar Land Rover brand, which had just been given a huge amount of taxpayer money for nothing.

Amazing.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

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The ONLY explanation is that Hopkinson was ordered to say that by the government.

This is so absurd I cannot believe you are serious.

You're suggesting the car was on a cloned plate. So the number plate noted on entry would have directed the police to a different registered keeper, who would have the real car and a puzzled look on his face.

If the driver had done a runner as your preferred rumour mongers think, and the wreckage too dangerous to approach as you want us to believe, how was the man identified?

None of these things has been reported to have happened. Which makes the scale of your conspiracy theory even bigger.

Face reality, please. You're just wrong.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, you missed my previous post where I pointed out that your response to the above was an utter non sequitur. Let's focus here.

I think the above reasoning is very good evidence that the car in the video is the first car to catch fire. The alternative requires a second car to mysteriously catch fire though no other cars are ablaze, be situated in a lane rather than a parking space and also have an extinguisher right next to it. This would be a very unlikely set of coincidences.

Do you agree that it is quite probable that the video shows the initial vehicle? If not, do explain why not.

NOTE: I'm not making any claim about what kind of vehicle is ablaze in the video. I am just pointing out that all of the evidence gives a quite high probability that the vehicle in the video is the first car to catch fire.

Liverpool King's Dock (ECHO) fire report:

16:29 31.12.17 Internal car park CCTV - first signs of fire (smoke) from the vehicle
17:52 31.12.17 Internal CCTV – first signs of flame from level 4, in location away from ramps and above initial fire on level 3 p1

Time frame 1 hour 23 minutes.

Luton Airport fire: fire first spotted at circa 8:38pm. Witness saw next level up (top floor) on fire shortly after nine, where it spread rapidly.

Time frame 20 minutes.

Please explain how a diesel-fueled vehicle did all of this within 20 minutes, even with the fire brigade arriving promptly? What makes it so highly probable to have been a diesel car, given it is claimed not to have been a lithium-ion fire?

 

[Myriad]

Liverpool King's Dock (ECHO) fire report:

16:29 31.12.17 Internal car park CCTV - first signs of fire (smoke) from the vehicle
17:52 31.12.17 Internal CCTV – first signs of flame from level 4, in location away from ramps and above initial fire on level 3 p1

Time frame 1 hour 23 minutes.

Luton Airport fire: fire first spotted at circa 8:38pm. Witness saw next level up (top floor) on fire shortly after nine, where it spread rapidly.

Time frame 20 minutes.

Please explain how a diesel-fueled vehicle did all of this within 20 minutes, even with the fire brigade arriving promptly? What makes it so highly probable to have been a diesel car, given it is claimed not to have been a lithium-ion fire?

It is highly probable to have been a diesel car because the fire service involved have confirmed the car was a diesel.

 

[JayUtah]

He who makes the claim should substantiate the claim.

If you're claiming evidence is fraudulent, you have the burden of proof. And a high standard of proof.

 

[Vixen]

It could be anything disguised as anything. As long as one party to this discussion absolves herself of any and all obligation to provide evidence, shifts the burden of proof, and pretends she can see things in photographs that ought to make everyone suspicious, the question remains open and generating a prodigious page count for her thread.

As I wrote above, questions of authenticity in real investigations have a clear epistemology. Anyone asserting that evidence is fraudulent has the burden of proof. The standard of proof is very high. Vixen will not undertake the burden of proof and is ill-equipped to carry it. That's literally where the question stops as far as real investigations are concerned. Whatever Vixen arrogantly whines about from her armchair is irrelevant.

The videos uploaded by 'Sam-multiple number' 0 followers, 'Bitcoin Bertie', 517 followers and 'Amy-multiple number', 222 followers have not been presented as evidence anywhere. Not one publication or broadcaster has validated it.

Yet here we are: Smart Cooky, Foster Zygote and catsmate believe in it ardently and claim to be Skeptics.

It's come to a pretty pass.