psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
The following is reproduced from the Australian Politics thread.
Basically, the argument is that Pentecostalism is more insidious than other forms of religion (especially in politics) because it embraces the idea of "Dominionism".
Discuss.
Basically, the argument is that Pentecostalism is more insidious than other forms of religion (especially in politics) because it embraces the idea of "Dominionism".
Discuss.
For those new to this argument, welcome. Psionl0 and I have been having this discussion for some time, and I think it's a good opportunity to summarise the state of the conversation.
In our past discussions, I have said that Morrison is Pentecostal Christian, attending the Hillsong Megachurch, and that particular denomination carries with it certain baggage that made a Prime Minister of that congregation problematic - namely, Dominionism and Prosperity Theology, both of which are strongly associated with Hillsong and Pentecostalism. I have no direct knowledge of whether Scott Morrison actually believes in these theologies, but it would be very consistent with what we do know if he did, and quite inconsistent if he didn't.
Dominionism (specifically, Kingdom Now Dominionism) is the belief that the right type of Christians should occupy positions of secular power in order to bring about God's kingdom on earth, which is a prerequisite for God's ultimate plan as described in the Book of Revelation.
Prosperity Theology is the belief that God will give material rewards for piety, which means that if you are not wealthy you are just not pious enough.
The combination of these two theological positions is that people will get into power who believe that poor people are poor because they deserve it, and the only way to lift oneself out of poverty is to join the Church and pray to Jesus. Morrison's record on welfare is well-documented.
The final reason why Pentecostalism is a problem in politics is that Pentecostals believe that they have a direct personal connection to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. As directly stated by Morrison many times, religion plays a critically important part in every aspect of a Pentecostal Christian's life. This means that a) Morrison would only do something if he believed that God approved of it, b) the things that God approved of would be immutable, even if it appeared on the surface that they had problems - God would compensate in other ways to ensure the greater good, and c) the nature of Pentecostal faith means that these beliefs were absolute and unshakeable, because doubt is literally a plot by Satan. Not figuratively literally, literally literally.
I know these things because they were what I was taught when I went to the same church Morrison goes to.
Nowhere have I said that he was trying to bring about either a theocracy or an apocalypse, though both theocracy and the apocalypse are very much active teachings of his church, and nowhere did I say that he was "dangerous" whatever that might even mean in this context. However, this appears to have been the only message Psionl0 has ever taken from my nuanced and informed discussion on the subject. Psionl0 has also said on several occasions that I have claimed to be able to read Morrison's mind, though how he has come to this conclusion remains a mystery to this day.
What I have said is that Morrison was a very poor Prime Minister, and that his religion almost certainly played a part in why. And his inadequacies as Prime Minster culminated in the Australian people voting him out of office in 2022.
I hope this has cleared up any misunderstandings, and brought newcomers up to date with the state of the conversation, which hasn't changed in five years.