Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[catsmate]

How about "censered", as something about this thread smells.

I knew someone was was almost censered by an over-enthusiastic alter boy.

 

[SpitfireIX]

'Conspiracy theory' has come to mean 'ridiculous lunatic theory' of the David Icke/Dan Brown type, purveyed to make its authors a lot of money.

No. Again, you just pulled this out of an orifice so you can pretend that you're not promoting conspiracy theories. Jay gave you the definition from the OED, which you claim to consider authoritative, and that's not what it says.

For example, there is a lot of money to be made out of outrageous 9/11 theories. However, that does not mean that people genuinely interested in the logistics of what exactly happened are also loonies who must be censored by any means necessary.

No. You tried this gambit in your repeated attempts to rehabilitate Anders Björkman, claiming that he is merely "curious," holds "a different opinion," and questions the "logistics" of the September 11 attacks, the possibility of human space flight, and the existence of nuclear weapons, when he's obviously a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

As for the hilited, as has been noted previously, no, we aren't trying to shut you up because we're afraid you're trying to reveal some awful truth that we just can't handle. We wish you'd face the fact that all available evidence indicates the car that started the fire was an ordinary diesel.

In the case of the Luton Airport car park fire there are many experts and commentators conspiracy theorists who are sceptical of the initial claims and of the failure to provide concrete information as to the make of the car involved.

FTFY

This does not make it a 'conspiracy theory' along the lines of 'the Covid virus is a hoax designed to force people into taking jabs which contain silicon chips connecting to the nearest mast in order to enrich Bill Gates'.

It may be less implausible, but it's still a conspiracy theory.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Bollocks. The flash point of diesel is between 52 and 96°C.

And a simple candle flame is between 1,000°C and 1,400°C.

She's probably parroting some other "expert" on whatever conspiracy theory site she's visiting, who found something about the temperature of the compressed air in a diesel cylinder and assumed that that was the only way to get diesel to ignite.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Possibly Vixen is confusing being censored with being censured.

Or perhaps 'censered', she certainly blows enough smoke.



ETA: Ninja'd by Carror Flower King! Curses your vegetably Highness!

 

[JayUtah]

You tried this gambit...merely "curious,"

Curiosity implies first an unfamiliarity with something, and second a willingness to be educated about it. Vixen insinuates she is not only appropriately informed, but eminently insightful—especially of the backroom political machinations in the UK government. She exhibits no willingness to be educated on any subject.

...holds "a different opinion,"

People will hold whatever opinions and draw whatever conclusions they want, according to whatever beliefs and evidence they want. People will often express them, bidden or unbidden. This is just human nature.

However, when people hold forth their opinions as credible allegations of fact or having evidentiary value, this incurs a method of inquiry and a standard of proof. It's a motte-and-bailey argument to claim at first that one has a better grasp of fact than others, then retreat to "just my opinion" when scrutinized.

Vixen at once insinuates that she has better insight and has more facts at her disposal, then whines about being persecuted for her "opinion" when these claims are not supported by evidence.

...and questions the "logistics"...

One must first demonstrate a correct understanding of these "logistics" before one's judgment of them has any sort of evidentiary value. What we see instead is another inversion of argument among conspiracy theorists: the ignorant expectations that form the premise of the conspiracy arguments, and the affirmation of the consequent by assuming the conspiracy conclusion, together are proffered as proof that the conspiracy theorist is smarter than everyone else.

Vixen has no working understanding of the "logistics" of anything having to do with the Luton fire. She just makes up whatever she needs in order to look smart.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

And a simple candle flame is between 1,000°C and 1,400°C.
She's probably parroting some other "expert" on whatever conspiracy theory site she's visiting, who found something about the temperature of the compressed air in a diesel cylinder and assumed that that was the only way to get diesel to ignite.

Outside of a laboratory?.Shurely shome mishtake!

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Next you'll be telling us that welding steel involves melting it.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Next you'll be telling us that welding steel involves melting it.

Pritt Stick will do it.

 

[jimbob]

Has anyone considered that maybe people believe in Cunningham's law and are trying to get correct answers?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Has anyone considered that maybe people believe in Cunningham's law and are trying to get correct answers?

That would require listening & grokking the answers.

 

[LondonJohn]

This whole thread is nothing but a spectator-friendly car crash fire.

 

[Mojo]

Pritt Stick will do it.

No, you need Erudite.

 

[LondonJohn]

No, you need Erudite.

Or poxy resin.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Or poxy resin.

Double sided tape & sticky back plastic. If Blue Peter couldn't make it, it ain't worth making Dagnabit!

 

[Mojo]

A common misconception. The number of working class people in higher education is no different today than it was in the fifties or sixties, at 28% give or take a few per cents.

But that has nothing to do with deference.

 

[Vixen]

Indeed. Not to mention the important fact that the UK these days has a truly free and independent media landscape.

As such, it's a certainty that if there were indeed a story here about the Luton incident having been caused by an EV, and that the "powers that be" were lying and misdirecting about it having been caused by an EV, in order to protect the EV industry and/or personal financial interests related to EVs...... then at least one of the mainstream media outlets would have been on the story like a terrier.

And the reason why none of the mainstream media outlets is running that story is because it's very obviously a ridiculous conspiracy theory with not a shred of credible, reliable evidence to support it (and plenty of credible, reliable evidence to refute it).

They won't because it is against protocol to do so before the report is published.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Curiosity implies first an unfamiliarity with something, and second a willingness to be educated about it. Vixen insinuates she is not only appropriately informed, but eminently insightful—especially of the backroom political machinations in the UK government. She exhibits no willingness to be educated on any subject.



People will hold whatever opinions and draw whatever conclusions they want, according to whatever beliefs and evidence they want. People will often express them, bidden or unbidden. This is just human nature.

However, when people hold forth their opinions as credible allegations of fact or having evidentiary value, this incurs a method of inquiry and a standard of proof. It's a motte-and-bailey argument to claim at first that one has a better grasp of fact than others, then retreat to "just my opinion" when scrutinized.

Vixen at once insinuates that she has better insight and has more facts at her disposal, then whines about being persecuted for her "opinion" when these claims are not supported by evidence.



One must first demonstrate a correct understanding of these "logistics" before one's judgment of them has any sort of evidentiary value. What we see instead is another inversion of argument among conspiracy theorists: the ignorant expectations that form the premise of the conspiracy arguments, and the affirmation of the consequent by assuming the conspiracy conclusion, together are proffered as proof that the conspiracy theorist is smarter than everyone else.

Vixen has no working understanding of the "logistics" of anything having to do with the Luton fire. She just makes up whatever she needs in order to look smart.

Great expansion of my point, Jay.

 

[Vixen]

There was a later press release and statement, you know that, why do you ignore it?

It turned out to be an 'update' on what was already said on 11 October 2023.

IOW not a genuine update as to the cause of the fire.


Reminds me of similar 'updates' re a particular famous person. It is simply a PR ploy called 'managing expectations' by simply repeating what was already said the other day.

It is pathetic that people are satisfied with this type of non-news, insofar they do not realise the cynical manipulation of their 'expectations'.

 

[junkshop]

A common misconception. The number of working class people in higher education is no different today than it was in the fifties or sixties, at 28% give or take a few per cents...

But that has nothing to do with deference.

...and even less to do with whether or not the BF&RS have been dishonest in their statements regarding the powertrain of the instigating vehicle in this fire.

 

[Vixen]

Straw man. The engine type has been identified and reported repeatedly by competent authority. You have no evidence that these reports were made insincerely, or in the absence of pertinent evidence, or with the intent to deceive. To try to get around this bulwark of evidence, you invented all by your lonesome a new requirement that you insist must be satisfied in order for evidence to be considered genuine.

Although it's not on the Bingo card, I can cite examples from a number of other popular conspiracy theories to demonstrate how this particular form of ad hoc revision exemplifies conspiracy-theorist thinking.

No it hasn't been identified 'repeatedly'. You have simply had your expectations managed by repetition of what was said whilst the building was still burning. Notice the update was at the six-month stage. Give the peasants a morsel pretending it is new information, as though they are not entitled to know but here's a few crumbs to let you know we have not forgotten your need for information.