Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[GlennB]

Stop being obtuse. Beds F&RS said that a sprinkler system would have massively reduced the impact of the fire, which - hello?- destroyed 1,500 vehicles, despite the driver of the original vehicle being present at the time.

Your o/p is about the origins of the fire, not its progress. The presence/absence of sprinklers is irrelevant, so why are you so concerned about them?

 

[Steve]

Your o/p is about the origins of the fire, not its progress. The presence/absence of sprinklers is irrelevant, so why are you so concerned about them?

Desperate to make a point that someone, anyone, here might actually agree with. Thread topic be damned. That is what all these tangents are about. Batting .000 so far.

 

[Mojo]

News cover up.


So tell us the make and model of the car.

People have already told you the make and model.

 

[Mojo]

The fact it could not pay its tax bill and/or other creditors, such as suppliers, does give rise to the suspicion of skimping on materials or labour.

No it doesn't.

A company skimping on materials or labour might give rise to a suspicion that it is short of money.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I am simply saying there is a press embargo in giving people the facts.



The claim is an electrical fault in the engine bay, so publish the make and model of the car so that people with similar models can take it in for a check up.

Right. You're saying the fact that the fire service say unequivocally it was a diesel car is proof they're lying because they didn't put the fire out in 10 minutes, which is impossible. And the fact the press don't agree with you is proof they've been silenced with a D Notice which hasn't existed for over 30 years.

Unlike the Liverpool fire where they told us it was a petrol car. Or was it? It was allegedly modified. So what fuel did it use? Why haven't we been told? What are they hiding about the Liverpool fire and why aren't you suspicious about it? Are you part of the conspiracy?

 

[Carrot Flower King]

If these mysterious orders from above (which are not part of the OSA nor covered by its restrictions, as has been pointed out) have been issued in this instance, how come the government hasn't been doing a lot more of this and preventing a load of stories about their incompetence and corruption, which surely damage national security and the national interest as much as hypothetical battery factories?

This suggestion is expecially laughable to anyone living where I do, i.e. a few miles up the coast from Cambois, where the BritVolt factory was to be.

And using specifics of legislation as "figures of speech" is pretty shoddy, when they have very particular meanings.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Oh please. The fire was out of control within less than half an hour, with fire fighters overcome with fumes and having to leave the building. A diesel car fire is something a team of firefighters can put out within ten minutes.

There was a similar fire at Gatwick North Terminal. Eleven cars destroyed within minutes. News report: 'accidental ignition'. No mention it was a Tesla EV that was burnt to a shell.

If the fire is on an upper floor of a multi storey garage and already taken hold how do they put it out within ten minutes?

What does that have to do with the emergency service involved confirming it was a diesel vehicle that started the fire?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yes it is, because when a company goes into administration it indicates an inability to pay creditors. In the case of a construction company, in this case Buckingham Group, all construction work is done under project management in which all costs, time and materials, are carefully budgeted and reviewed at every stage. The fact it could not pay its tax bill and/or other creditors, such as suppliers, does give rise to the suspicion of skimping on materials or labour. I do not know the specific circumstance of this particular case, but you can read about it here:



Daily Mail



What generally happens is that a creditor owed money that is unforthcoming will petition the High Court - in this case I suspect HMRC - for a winding up order for non-payment. The Court appoints the Official Receiver who then passes the case onto one of the Administrators on its list of Insolvency Practitioners, usually at random. The Administrator takes over all aspects of the business in the hope of being able to find a buyer to take over the business and save jobs. In this case, the administrators managed to sell a small part of the engineering arm but otherwise, it would appear it then went into Compulsory Liquidation.



So the lack of sprinklers, following on from the Merseyside Fire Brigade report

could have been a cost-saving decision for Buckingham Group as they are quite expensive to install and the suspicion must arise of poor quality materials being used and safety measures skimped due to a lack of cash flow.



Thus, IMV, it is quite wrong for the Beds Fire & Rescue Service to say, 'Move along nothing to see here, it was just a simple electrical fault in a diesel car*', when people could have been killed or seriously injured and bearing in mind five personnel from the fire fighting unit were hospitalized because of noxious fumes.



*Yet they refuse to let us know what vehicle it was, together with the careful avoidance of mentioning EV's or Jaguar Land Rover, when they are obviously a factor, together with the sprinkler system not just being an oversight.

You think the builders going bust five years after building the car park is a reason for the fire service not to state the fire started in a diesel car?

That may be the biggest non-sequitur so far.

How does the quality of construction of the car park affect the fuel type of the car that began the fire?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

News cover up.





So tell us the make and model of the car.

Tell us the fuel type of the Liverpool car and how it caught fire. Other owners of cars which have had their fuel system modified in some way will obviously want to get their cars checked. Why won't you tell us?

 

[Andy_Ross]

An eyewitness supplied a photograph of it.

Can you show me the photograph?

Is it then your claim that the emergency service that attended and the police are deliberately telling lies about the fire?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Go to 9:32 onwards.



https://youtu.be/O5jrI2zdZ0s?si=MFRgEkgR1NnSW79Y

A used car salesman is your source for the photo?

Does it look like it's in the remains of a multi storey parking garage?

Have another look.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yes it is, because when a company goes into administration it indicates an inability to pay creditors. In the case of a construction company, in this case Buckingham Group, all construction work is done under project management in which all costs, time and materials, are carefully budgeted and reviewed at every stage. The fact it could not pay its tax bill and/or other creditors, such as suppliers, does give rise to the suspicion of skimping on materials or labour. I do not know the specific circumstance of this particular case, but you can read about it here:

Daily Mail

What generally happens is that a creditor owed money that is unforthcoming will petition the High Court - in this case I suspect HMRC - for a winding up order for non-payment. The Court appoints the Official Receiver who then passes the case onto one of the Administrators on its list of Insolvency Practitioners, usually at random. The Administrator takes over all aspects of the business in the hope of being able to find a buyer to take over the business and save jobs. In this case, the administrators managed to sell a small part of the engineering arm but otherwise, it would appear it then went into Compulsory Liquidation.

So the lack of sprinklers, following on from the Merseyside Fire Brigade report
could have been a cost-saving decision for Buckingham Group as they are quite expensive to install and the suspicion must arise of poor quality materials being used and safety measures skimped due to a lack of cash flow.

Thus, IMV, it is quite wrong for the Beds Fire & Rescue Service to say, 'Move along nothing to see here, it was just a simple electrical fault in a diesel car*', when people could have been killed or seriously injured and bearing in mind five personnel from the fire fighting unit were hospitalized because of noxious fumes.

*Yet they refuse to let us know what vehicle it was, together with the careful avoidance of mentioning EV's or Jaguar Land Rover, when they are obviously a factor, together with the sprinkler system not just being an oversight.

How does any of that relate to the identity of the car?

 

[welshdean]

A used car salesman, with a rabid anti-EV agenda is your source for the photo?

Does it look like it's in the remains of a multi storey parking garage?

Have another look.

Fixed that for you Vixen.

 

[zooterkin]

A used car salesman is your source for the photo?

Does it look like it's in the remains of a multi storey parking garage?

Have another look.

Vixen is attempting to derail by talking about the fire at Gatwick here, not Luton. Whether the fire at Gatwick started in an ICE or EV car is irrelevant.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's a car in an open car park. It's not in a multi storey parking garage.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Vixen is attempting to derail by talking about the fire at Gatwick here, not Luton. Whether the fire at Gatwick started in an ICE or EV car is irrelevant.

It's a valuable data point though.

The Gatwick Tesla fire destroyed 9 cars vs the diesel at Luton which destroyed 1500. Therefore diesel car fires are 167 times as destructive as EV fires.

That's just science. <shrug>

 

[Vixen]

People have already told you the make and model.

Citation of official confirmation, please.

 

[Vixen]

A used car salesman is your source for the photo?

Does it look like it's in the remains of a multi storey parking garage?

Have another look.

Gatwick North Terminal car park is entirely open air.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen is attempting to derail by talking about the fire at Gatwick here, not Luton. Whether the fire at Gatwick started in an ICE or EV car is irrelevant.

It illustrates well that there is a news embargo on reporting EV fires in public places.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Citation of official confirmation, please.

If it turned out to be a model of car you owned, what would you do with that information?

'Get it checked' presumably. But it gets checked every time it gets serviced, so what new thing would you ask the garage to look for? What is the value of knowing a similar ten year old car caught fire for some not yet identified reason?