Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Vixen]

Just to remind you, your claim was that there was a vote by the party members:

He was elected by default. Some call this 'unelected' but that is not quite accurate either.

 

[zooterkin]

He was elected by default. Some call this 'unelected' but that is not quite accurate either.

And some claimed that he was voted in, which is not accurate either.

None of which makes your claim that the fire started in some sort of EV anything other than completely spurious.

 

[Vixen]

A claim that a D-notice is in place is not a figure of speech, it is a particular and very specific claim, one that we know is wrong.

And you know it is wrong, how?

Read this and all will become clear as to why we have not been told what the brand of car was.

Neither the company nor the UK government gave details of the subsidy provided. It will supply JLR’s future battery electric models including the Range Rover, Defender, Discovery and Jaguar brands, with the potential to also supply other car manufacturers. Production at the new gigafactory is due to start in the year 2026.

Tata is reported to have asked for £500 million of state assistance from the UK, including subsidies for the Somerset factory’s high-energy use, a one-off grant from the automotive transformation fund, and road improvements to the site. Details of government support to Tata Sons will be published in due course as part of regular transparency data, a UK government statement said, as per PTI report.

https://www.indiatimes.com/worth/ne...p-chairman-after-gigafactory-deal-609670.html


And the evasions will continue. The latest news is that the fire was due to 'a lack of sprinklers' and this will be rectified in future.

 

[Mojo]

He was elected by default. Some call this 'unelected' but that is not quite accurate either.

And some, apparently, call this "elected by party members", even if they didn't have a vote.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Where does this 'latest news' come from please?

 

[zooterkin]

And you know it is wrong, how?

Read this and all will become clear as to why we have not been told what the brand of car was.

What significant differences are there between different diesel cars?

 

[Mojo]

And you know it is wrong, how?

Read this and all will become clear as to why we have not been told what the brand of car was.

Neither the company nor the UK government gave details of the subsidy provided. It will supply JLR’s future battery electric models including the Range Rover, Defender, Discovery and Jaguar brands, with the potential to also supply other car manufacturers. Production at the new gigafactory is due to start in the year 2026.

Tata is reported to have asked for £500 million of state assistance from the UK, including subsidies for the Somerset factory’s high-energy use, a one-off grant from the automotive transformation fund, and road improvements to the site. Details of government support to Tata Sons will be published in due course as part of regular transparency data, a UK government statement said, as per PTI report.

https://www.indiatimes.com/worth/ne...p-chairman-after-gigafactory-deal-609670.html

The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally

And the evasions will continue.

I'm sure they will. Oh look, here comes one now:

The latest news is that the fire was due to 'a lack of sprinklers' and this will be rectified in future.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

And some, apparently, call this "elected by party members", even if they didn't have a vote.

That Truss vs Sunak vote will always remind me of a friend whose elderly father, a Conservative party member, told his astonished son that he was voting for Truss because he feared Sunak 'might be a Muslim'.

It was a marvellous lesson in the level of serious thought and careful consideration that goes into selecting people for high office. Not.

 

[Mojo]

Where does this 'latest news' come from please?

October.

 

[Darat]

And you know it is wrong, how?

...snip...

They do not exist.....

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Sky News explains:

The quote you provided explicitly state he wasn't voted for by the party membership.

Are you well?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The quote you provided explicitly state he wasn't voted for by the party membership.

Are you well?

You're talking to a poster with a proud history of posting links to sources they didn't grock.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You're talking to a poster with a proud history of posting links to sources they didn't grock.

Oh I'm well aware, as her farcical attempts to show a home converted diesel to hybrid existing showed, but normally she doesn't directly quote the part that shows she's making things up.

 

[Vixen]

Where does this 'latest news' come from please?

See here from BBC News:

The car park itself was part of a multi-million pound modernisation programme, opening in 2019.

It was designed without sprinklers and at the time of the blaze Andy Hopkinson, the county's chief fire officer, said: "We are already talking to the airport about ensuring that any future, and the existing, car parks have sprinklers fitted... sprinklers may have made a positive impact on this incident."

<snip>

Patrick Hayes, the technical director at The Institution of Structural Engineers, said following the fire Merseyside Fire Service recommended sprinklers in modern car parks.

He added that his institution had issued a number of reports on the risks modern cars possess, and recommended the "fire resistance" - the period a car park structure can remain stable in the event of a fire - be raised from 15 minutes to between 30 minutes to 120 minutes.

<snip>

Mr Hayes said "modern cars are heavier than some of the car parks have been designed for and also more flammable because they contain more plastic", while there are different fire risks posed by electric vehicles.

He said: "Originally the guidance around car park design... was based on the assumption that the fire wouldn't spread beyond one or two vehicles.

"What we see with modern vehicles, because they are larger so they get parked closer together and they're more flammable, is that the fire can spread towards several vehicles. So it's not as contained a fire."

10 April 2024 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68716196

Note the avoidance of mentioning the elephant in the room? We have a diesel vehicle, lack of sprinklers and 'cars are a bit heavier these days'. Oh yeah, and EV's with 'different fire risks', by the way.

Reminds me of Basil Fawlty trying so hard not to mention the EV's war or Jaguar Land Rovers the Germans, our attention is irresistibly drawn towards these very things.

 

[Vixen]

Oh I'm well aware, as her farcical attempts to show a home converted diesel to hybrid existing showed, but normally she doesn't directly quote the part that shows she's making things up.

Please provide a citation of which post of mine you claim to be referring to. You are making up your own stuff here.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Please provide a citation of which post of mine you claim to be referring to. You are making up your own stuff here.

Which bit? The ongoing inability to link to anything supporting your claim diesels can be converted, or the post where you quote an article that directly refutes your claim Sunak was elected by conservative party members?

 

[zooterkin]

See here from BBC News:

10 April 2024 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68716196

Note the avoidance of mentioning the elephant in the room? We have a diesel vehicle, lack of sprinklers and 'cars are a bit heavier these days'. Oh yeah, and EV's with 'different fire risks', by the way.

Reminds me of Basil Fawlty trying so hard not to mention the EV's war or Jaguar Land Rovers the Germans, our attention is irresistibly drawn towards these very things.

What avoidance? The only avoidance I see is that you didn't quote the part referring to the start of the fire.

Last month a joint report by Bedfordshire's fire and police services said the blaze was "accidental", finding most probable cause of the fire was an electrical fault or a component failure in a moving diesel vehicle.

Are you saying the Fire Service is lying?

 

[junkshop]

...The latest news is that the fire was due to 'a lack of sprinklers' and this will be rectified in future.

Where does this 'latest news' come from please?

See here from BBC News:

...It was designed without sprinklers and at the time of the blaze Andy Hopkinson, the county's chief fire officer, said: "We are already talking to the airport about ensuring that any future, and the existing, car parks have sprinklers fitted...

...

Highlighting mine. I'll leave any drawing of conclusions to the reader.

 

[smartcooky]

The latest news is that the fire was due to 'a lack of sprinklers' and this will be rectified in future.

I do not know of any fire... ever, in which the cause was a lack of sprinklers!

 

[Mojo]

Highlighting mine. I'll leave any drawing of conclusions to the reader.

As I said:

October.

ETA quotation from the October 11th report:

Mr Hopkinson told reporters at the scene: “We are already talking to the airport about ensuring that any future, and the existing, car parks have sprinklers fitted because this building is not sprinkler protected.”

He added: “Sprinklers may have made a positive impact on this incident.”