Infinite Energy! All Our Energy Problems Over?

[rjh01]

That was bugging me, too. But then I realized what they were actually proposing:

1. Use hydrolysis to de-oxidize the iron.
2. Use the hydrogen by-product of hydrolysis as fuel.
3. Let the de-oxidized iron re-oxidize.
4. GOTO 1.

In theory, it's an infinite loop.

In theory, yeah, but that's still not the same thing as "infinite energy". Using that phrase in the article was irresponsible, in my opinion. It makes it sound like the process defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which it absolutely doesn't.

If it works like what theprestige is saying then it is infinite energy because it is a perpetual-motion machine. There is no energy input, only energy output. I cannot see anything inaccurate of theprestige's description. This means it cannot work.

 

[arthwollipot]

If it works like what theprestige is saying then it is infinite energy because it is a perpetual-motion machine. There is no energy input, only energy output. I cannot see anything inaccurate of theprestige's description. This means it cannot work.

If it works, it's not infinite. If it's infinite, it doesn't work.

Dunno, I'm not a physicist. If true, then I guess the world's energy crisis is solved. We'll soon see if that happens.

 

[shemp]

In theory, yeah, but that's still not the same thing as "infinite energy". Using that phrase in the article was irresponsible, in my opinion. It makes it sound like the process defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which it absolutely doesn't.

Based on some of the other articles at ecoticias.com, I'd say irresponsibility is their stock-in-trade.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Reminds me of: The Cat / Rat Farm.

AKA: Cat and Rat Ranch Hoax

Glorious Opportunity To Get Rich!!! — We are starting a cat ranch in Lacon with 100,000 cats. Each cat will average 12 kittens a year. The cat skins will sell for 30 cents each. One hundred men can skin 5,000 cats a day. We figure a daily net profit of over $10,000. Now what shall we feed the cats? We will start a rat farm next door with 1,000,000 rats. The rats breed 12 times faster than the cats. So we will have four rats to feed each day to each cat. Now what shall we feed the rats? We will feed the rats the carcasses of the cats after they have been skinned. Now Get This! We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats and get the cat skins for nothing!

I was just a little suspicious of the feasibility of this too.

 

[jonesdave116]

Waaaay too late for this. Randell Mills is on the verge (has been on the verge for > 30 years) of cracking this! Just you wait! Hydrinos are the future. /sarcasm.
Whatever happened to Michael Suede and that thread? It was comedy gold! A wonderful exposition of how a fool and his money are easily parted.

 

[theprestige]

"Infinite" implies perpetual.

It's rhetoric. In this case I find it to be rhetorically sound.

 

[theprestige]

If it works like what theprestige is saying then it is infinite energy because it is a perpetual-motion machine. There is no energy input, only energy output. I cannot see anything inaccurate of theprestige's description. This means it cannot work.

How do you mean, no energy input? Do we not have a sun?

 

[theprestige]

If it works, it's not infinite. If it's infinite, it doesn't work.

Dunno, I'm not a physicist. If true, then I guess the world's energy crisis is solved. We'll soon see if that happens.

Anything that ultimately depends on the eventual collapse of the sun is infinite in practical human terms.

Terminology aside do you have any problem with the physical processes involved?

Iron rusts without any artificial energy inputs. If the hydrogen fixed by the rusting process can be extracted using less energy than the hydrogen itself provides, why would you quibble about whether "infinite" honestly accounts for the presumed heat death of the universe?

 

[Olmstead]

By that definition, every energy source on earth is technically "infinite".

Relatively clean and practical energy!

There's a title.

 

[arthwollipot]

Anything that ultimately depends on the eventual collapse of the sun is infinite in practical human terms.

Terminology aside do you have any problem with the physical processes involved?

Iron rusts without any artificial energy inputs. If the hydrogen fixed by the rusting process can be extracted using less energy than the hydrogen itself provides, why would you quibble about whether "infinite" honestly accounts for the presumed heat death of the universe?

You'll notice that my comment was on the use of the word "infinite". This was deliberate.

 

[rjh01]

How do you mean, no energy input? Do we not have a sun?

The process, as outlined by you, does not specify any input from the sun.
The process of turning iron to rust releases energy. So to produce iron from rust requires energy. Another reason it would not work.

If sodium (or a few other highly reactive metals) comes into contract with water it will release heat + hydrogen. The sodium will absorb the oxygen in the water. Another reason that it will not work.

 

[Roboramma]

You'll notice that my comment was on the use of the word "infinite". This was deliberate.

Yeah, I think I agree with you on this one. Even if this is supposed to work as theprestige says, with the sun as a power source supplying us with a source of hydrogen, that's not infinite. It's no more infinite than the energy we can get out of burning wood, which is also only as finite as the sun. Both are limited both by the lifetime of the sun and by the rate at which solar energy is converted to chemical energy by these two processes.