Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

[Hercules56]

I disagree, but that side of the question has been debated at length in other threads.

What I'm interested in here is your answer to this side of the question. By what logic do you hold that the Israeli war on Gaza is a massive act of terrorism, but the Iranian mass missile raid on Israel is not?

The Iranian military action was one of retaliation. The Israeli war on Gaza is not.

 

[theprestige]

The Iranian military action was one of retaliation.

They retaliated to a surgical military strike with a mass missile raid on the enemy country. How is that retaliation not terrorist in conception and execution?

The Israeli war on Gaza is not.

Have you believed this since 10/8/2023, or is this a more recent evolution of your position?

 

[theprestige]

The targets were clearly military.

My bad. Please provide the target list.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

What is your evidence of this assertion?

the fact that what the remaining missiles hit was military bases.
There was no indication that any city was the target.
And Iran had announced that it would hit military targets.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68811273

Two US officials told the BBC's US partner CBS news that five ballistic missiles evaded air defences and impacted on Israeli territory.

Four landed in the base - where the country's F-35 fighter jets are based - which the officials said was Iran's primary target.

One missile hit a runway, another hit an empty aircraft hangar and one hit a hangar that was out of use. A fifth ballistic missile seemed to be aimed at a radar site in northern Israel, but missed its target.

seriously, no military commentators has claimed anything but military bases being the target.


this makes the Iran attack more measured than Israel attacking a consulate with civilians.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

They retaliated to a surgical military strike with a mass missile raid on the enemy country. How is that retaliation not terrorist in conception and execution?


Have you believed this since 10/8/2023, or is this a more recent evolution of your position?

a pure military attack, heavily advertised, and with none of the effort at stealth that was present in the attack on Saudi oil refineries.

the Iran response was very measured, and the US entirely agrees.

 

[lobosrul5]

the fact that what the remaining missiles hit was military bases.
There was no indication that any city was the target.
And Iran had announced that it would hit military targets.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68811273



seriously, no military commentators has claimed anything but military bases being the target.

Your linked article makes no claim that all of drone and missiles were targeted at military targets, or that any military commentator has said so. That some of them were, seems extremely likely.

this makes the Iran attack more measured than Israel attacking a consulate with civilians.

An attack which killed:

7 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps soldiers
5 Iran-backed militiamen
1 Hezbollah fighter
1 Iranian advisor
2 civilians.

Seems exceptionally "measured".

 

[kookbreaker]

More booms in Iran.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-797866

 

[lobosrul5]

Was wondering why oil futures just spiked.

 

[stanfr]

So, since Iran promised massive retaliation if Israel struck back, is regional war now unavoidable? (moot question)

 

[PitPat]

And Israel just attacked Iran. I guess it was a place and time of their choosing.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Iran will retaliate in a way Israel won't be able to just shrug off.

Which is exactly what this Israeli government wants - punch someone and then hide behind its Big Brother for protection.
It's all about forcing the US into armed conflict with Iran.
And about losing Biden the election.

 

[PitPat]

I think Biden's smart enough to just stay out of it for now.

You're right though, I think they might be trying to draw US into a regional war. So we'll send a few more ships over there.

Maybe some aid if it passes on Saturday and GOP sitil has a Speaker of the House. Which is kind of a weird-sounding title.

 

[Hercules56]

Looks like our little crisis is finally over.

 

[dudalb]

And Israel just attacked Iran. I guess it was a place and time of their choosing.

Israel bombed an Iranian Air Base . Seems to have done little damage. Very limited response. And I suggest Bidens much criticized policy of not turning on Israel is responsible
Note that Israel picked a purely military Target .
Question is will Iran respond and how will it respond.

 

[dudalb]

I think Biden's smart enough to just stay out of it for now.

You're right though, I think they might be trying to draw US into a regional war. So we'll send a few more ships over there.

Maybe some aid if it passes on Saturday and GOP sitil has a Speaker of the House. Which is kind of a weird-sounding title.

Ir Iran really want to draw the US in, obvious way is a direct attack on The United States by a Iranian sponsored Terroist group. Question is is Iran willing to go that far? DO they really want the kind of military response that would bring?
Seems to be provoking the US in such a manner is a really bad idea, but then we are dealing with a bunch of religious fanatics.never forget that..and who knows what thel lthey think Allah will tel them to do?
Any number of things could happen. It could taper off or it could escalate.The ball is in Iran's court now.
I think Iran's gaol is total domination of the Mideast, a Islamaic version of the Persian empire.

 

[dudalb]

Iran will retaliate in a way Israel won't be able to just shrug off.

Which is exactly what this Israeli government wants - punch someone and then hide behind its Big Brother for protection.
It's all about forcing the US into armed conflict with Iran.
And about losing Biden the election.

I doubt Iran, crazy as they may be, wants Trump is office, since he will feel NO restaint in the use of force against Iran.

 

[dudalb]

Stiall cyincally amused that so many Progressives are cheerleading an Fudemtnaliits Islamic government like Iran's.

 

[theprestige]

Imagine if Iran were a Christian theocracy. The leftist outrage would be off the charts.

 

[jt512]

Stiall cyincally amused that so many Progressives are cheerleading an Fudemtnaliits Islamic government like Iran's.

"Westerners don't want to hear this, but supporting Palestine is incompatible with supporting regime change in Iran or Syria. If 'woman life freedom' succeeded & overthrew the sovereign govt of Iran, there'd be no Axis of Resistance as we know it to resist US-Zionist imperialism."

https://twitter.com/CallaWalsh/status/1777107176382677206

A progressive has to keep his priorities straight.

 

[webfusion]

This thread is hopefully going nowhere.
"Iran Attacks Israel" and that is the entire story, without any continuation.

I was wrong.
"Israel Achieves Reprisal Attack on Iran" is the headline today.
THAT should be the end of this entire episode.