Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part III

[smartcooky]

Continued from here.

Posted By: Agatha

Its hilarious that The Fat Orange Turd's lawyers are trying to say Cohen cannot be trusted because he lied under oath before Congress, when the fact is that he lied on behalf of that very same Fat Orange Turd.

Of course, when Cohen decided to come clean and recant, he brought the receipts, boxes of them - the testimony will not be just Cohen's word.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's because the defense has two witnesses. One guy slated to testify is to discuss terminology, not Trump's specific actions.



https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/politics/prosecutors-trump-trial-new-york/index.html

From your link:

Merchan has limited the scope of Smith’s testimony to describing the role and function of the FEC and defining certain terms, such as campaign contributions, but has blocked him from testifying about whether the law was violated in this case.

It's not up to Trump's lawyer to decide if a law has been broken. It's up to Merchan.

 

[Stacyhs]

Its hilarious that The Fat Orange Turd's lawyers are trying to say Cohen cannot be trusted because he lied under oath before Congress, when the fact is that he lied on behalf of that very same Fat Orange Turd.

Of course, when Cohen decided to come clean and recant, he brought the receipts, boxes of them - the testimony will not be just Cohen's word.

After reading Cohen's book and his actions since his release from prison, I do believe that he realizes what a shmuck he was.

 

[alfaniner]

Garten is the Trump Organization’s Chief Legal officer.

My guess is Garten will be trying to refute Cohen's testimony somehow. Not sure how though.

Well, the guy's a convicted felon! That absolutely negates any testimony he has to offer!

(Note: although this is sarcasm, I don't doubt that card will be played anyway.)

 

[acbytesla]

After reading Cohen's book and his actions since his release from prison, I do believe that he realizes what a shmuck he was.

I hate the expression but Cohen had a real "come to Jesus moment." Cohen had spent years being Trump’s cleanup and bag man. And didn't mind it because it paid well. He probably would still be doing it if Trump had stuck to real estate.

 

[Stacyhs]

I hate the expression but Cohen had a real "come to Jesus moment." Cohen had spent years being Trump’s cleanup and bag man. And didn't mind it because it paid well. He probably would still be doing it if Trump stuck to real estate.

Probably. But he did have a real wake up moment when he realized that Trump dropped him like a hot potato once he was charged. Trump has no loyalty to anyone but himself. I believe he'd throw his own kids under the bus if it was to his advantage.

 

[acbytesla]

Well, the guy's a convicted felon! That absolutely negates any testimony he has to offer!

(Note: although this is sarcasm, I don't doubt that card will be played anyway.)

Of course it will be. But I'm sure Bragg has worked out the narrative dealing with that. I expect Bragg will point this out to the jury. Make it clear that Cohen went to prison for lying on Trump’s behalf.

 

[Darat]

Of course it will be. But I'm sure Bragg has worked out the narrative dealing with that. I expect Bragg will point this out to the jury. Make it clear that Cohen went to prison for lying on Trump’s behalf.

You mean Ivana, Marla and Meliani's children?

 

[smartcooky]

After reading Cohen's book and his actions since his release from prison, I do believe that he realizes what a shmuck he was.

Oh, I have seem him openly admit this in interviews with Ari Melber, Alex Wagner, Ben Meiselas, Anderson Cooper and others. It takes quite a special kind of person to elocute the wrong they have done in public on TV in from of an audience of a million plus.

 

[Tero]

Cohen got off easy. Pandemic sent him to home arrest. Plus he made the round of talk shows.
Wiki: On December 12, 2018, U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III sentenced Cohen to three years in prison and a $50,000 fine, and additionally ordered Cohen to pay $1.4 million in restitution and to forfeit $500,000.
Cohen filed suit complaining that his re-arrest was an attempt to prevent him from releasing a tell-all book about Trump titled Disloyal: A Memoir. On July 23, a judge found in his favor and ordered that he be returned to home confinement. Cohen was released from home confinement and his sentence expired on November 22, 2021.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I sure hope Cohen and Daniels have extreme protection, given Trump's "business associations" and his unhinged drive for revenge.

 

[acbytesla]

Cohen got off easy. Pandemic sent him to home arrest. Plus he made the round of talk shows.
Wiki: On December 12, 2018, U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III sentenced Cohen to three years in prison and a $50,000 fine, and additionally ordered Cohen to pay $1.4 million in restitution and to forfeit $500,000.
Cohen filed suit complaining that his re-arrest was an attempt to prevent him from releasing a tell-all book about Trump titled Disloyal: A Memoir. On July 23, a judge found in his favor and ordered that he be returned to home confinement. Cohen was released from home confinement and his sentence expired on November 22, 2021.

Yes and No.

Compared to the length of time of his Federal sentence, yes. Cohen spent only a year in actual prison of his prison sentence. Normal Federal guidelines would have been about 2 and a half.

But compared to what he was sentenced for and what other MAGA turds have faced, Cohen did not get off easy. In fact, the opposite is true.

 

[alfaniner]

I'm laughing. The FPDJT looks like absolute **** today in his first criminal trial court appearance.

 

[JayUtah]

Of course it will be. But I'm sure Bragg has worked out the narrative dealing with that. I expect Bragg will point this out to the jury. Make it clear that Cohen went to prison for lying on Trump’s behalf.

This is a well-established pattern. If you step back and forget that it's Trump, this is just two guys who conspired to commit a crime, and one of them turned state's evidence. That your witness participated in the crime and the crime involved lying to the authorities is not an insurmountable impediment.

I'm laughing. The FPDJT looks like absolute **** today in his first criminal trial court appearance.

Wow, he really does. Puffy eyes, disheveled "hair."

 

[acbytesla]

This is a well-established pattern. If you step back and forget that it's Trump, this is just two guys who conspired to commit a crime, and one of them turned state's evidence. That your witness participated in the crime and the crime involved lying to the authorities is not an insurmountable impediment.

There are some witnesses, you should never believe on their testimony alone. Not that they are lying. Just that their reputation proceeds them. They seem incapable of telling the truth. Even if Cohen is one of those people, (Which I don't think he is.) you still listen to what they have to say and the context in which they say it.

Does it make sense?

What is the motivation for lying?

What is the motivation for telling the truth?

And most important, what kind of corrobation does their testimony have?

Bragg would not put a witness who has been convicted of multiple felonies on the stand unless the testimony made sense and is corroborated by other evidence. If it came down to Cohen's testimony alone, Bragg would never have charged Trump.

And that appears to be Trump's problem. The evidence isn't just Cohen and Stormy Daniels.

 

[pgwenthold]

Rightwing now having a meltdown because the judge told the criminal defendant that he had to attend his trial.

Last week the complaint was that the FBI interviewed someone who used to work for Trump without notifying Trump ahead of time.

As Franklin Veaux says, 90% of right wing outrage is in hearing about how things work for the first time.

Meanwhile, Don fell asleep in court today.

I admit, actual trials are as boring as all get out, but when you make a living calling your political opponent Sleepy Joe, you might want to avoid falling asleep at your trial.

 

[Resume]

Rightwing now having a meltdown because the judge told the criminal defendant that he had to attend his trial.

Last week the complaint was that the FBI interviewed someone who used to work for Trump without notifying Trump ahead of time.

As Franklin Veaux says, 90% of right wing outrage is in hearing about how things work for the first time.

Meanwhile, Don fell asleep in court today.

I admit, actual trials are as boring as all get out, but when you make a living calling your political opponent Sleepy Joe, you might want to avoid falling asleep at your trial.

Maybe a reporter could get close enough to him to see if the rumors about him stinking are true. Then we could call him the Sleepy, Stinking Don.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump's lie-a-thon this morning on TS:

"I want my VOICE back. This Crooked Judge has GAGGED me. Unconstitutional! The other side can talk about me, but I am not allowed to talk about them! Rigged Trial!"

"Why didn’t they bring this totally discredited lawsuit 7 years ago??? Election Interference!"

“As virtually every legal scholar has powerfully stated, the Biden Manhattan Witch Hunt Case is, among other things, BARRED by the Statute of Limitations. This ‘trial’ should be ended by the highly conflicted presiding Judge.”k

In the courthouse this morning, Trump continued his lie-a-thon:

"Every legal scholar said this this case is nonsense, it should never have been brought."

And MAGA idiots will swallow it all while nodding their heads in agreement with Dear Leader. Because the Chosen One never lies.

 

[alfaniner]

I am mulling over the jury selection, as to whether I'd be a candidate. More than half the pool has been excused for not being able to be impartial or for scheduling conflicts. (No info on percentages of which.) Now, I absolutely hate the guy, but I know I could be impartial and weigh the case on the basis of the evidence. This may seem like an oxymoron and I know right-wing MAGArats would claim bias, but I know I could be fair.

There was a big trial a few years ago (I forget which) where the consensus was that the guy was guilty, but the prosecution was not able to make the case. (Note: it wasn't the Simpson one.) I had to grudgingly agree with the legal decision but morally and mentally I hated to see the guy get off.

That being said, I'd probably never get on the jury anyway. Nor would I want to.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I am mulling over the jury selection, as to whether I'd be a candidate. More than half the pool has been excused for not being able to be impartial or for scheduling conflicts. (No info on percentages of which.) Now, I absolutely hate the guy, but I know I could be impartial and weigh the case on the basis of the evidence. This may seem like an oxymoron and I know right-wing MAGArats would claim bias, but I know I could be fair.

There was a big trial a few years ago (I forget which) where the consensus was that the guy was guilty, but the prosecution was not able to make the case. (Note: it wasn't the Simpson one.) I had to grudgingly agree with the legal decision but morally and mentally I hated to see the guy get off.

That being said, I'd probably never get on the jury anyway. Nor would I want to.

The ability to distinguish between your desires and your obligations and act accordingly is a hallmark of maturity. Sadly, an enormous percentage of the population never reaches this stage of development. Come to think of it, it's the reason we have crimes and trials in the first place.