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... The cavalier attitude of the current UK government is what I was addressing.

But without so much as a hint of evidence that the government has expressed any opinion to anyone about the Luton fire.

You're angry about things people are doing in your imagination.
 
I think the current UK government have bigger things to worry about at the moment than a burning LandRover.
 
But without so much as a hint of evidence that the government has expressed any opinion to anyone about the Luton fire.

You're angry about things people are doing in your imagination.

I think the current UK government have bigger things to worry about at the moment than a burning LandRover.

This is an example of the explanatory inversion in conspiracy theories. In a typical explanatory exercise, some particular observation or occurrence requires an explanation. We think of disasters and crimes as the most egregious examples. The task is to retrace the causal chain and determine the most likely case.

A criminal trial is not exactly apt, because it tests only one hypothesis in the absence of all others: the objective at trial is to determine whether a certain person was the cause, not who of all people is the criminal.

We follow a typical exercise of assembling hypotheses, assigning a priori probabilities to them, and assembling evidence to test the likelihood of each hypothesis according to the evidence. In the end, we hope to have a confident determination of cause.

Conspiracy theories often invert the process, and by so doing fail due to subversion of support. Put simply, many conspiracy theories are explanations looking for a something to explain. Such is the case here. Whether real or imaginary, the story of UK government officials wanting to protect private interests is a salacious tidbit looking desperately for a place to be applied. But there just isn't enough controversy in the Luton fire to demand such an explanation. That's why Vixen is working so hard to stir one up. If something doesn't look right to her, it must be a sign that something needs that full-power explanation she's so cleverly concocted. And if you don't agree with her that something is as meatily controversial as she says it is, and for the reasons she says it is, well then you're just not as smart as she is and you have your head in the sand.

Conspiracy theories are about coming up with clever solutions, not about solving problems. It's about trying to show how clever the conspiracy theorist is, not trying to show what explanation is best supported by evidence.
 
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I think the current UK government have bigger things to worry about at the moment than a burning LandRover.

Packing? The relative cost/service levels of home & office removal companies? CV review & editing? Stealing everything that isn't screwed to the floor?
 
As evidence, show me the news report about the Gatwick Airport north terminal fire.


While we're on the subject of providing news stories as evidence, you never did show us the news story that you used as evidence for this claim, which you said came from "an online local newspaper":
Firefighters from nearby Harpenden (there were firefighters from several regions helping to control the blaze) were reported off the record to have said it looked like a lithium-ion fire.


When asked to identify the newspaper or the journalist who reported it, you said that you were unable to do so because there were "thirty pages of archives", but that merely turned out to be the results of a poorly-targeted Google news search. Please can you support or withdraw the claim?
 
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This is an example of the explanatory inversion in conspiracy theories. In a typical explanatory exercise, some particular observation or occurrence requires an explanation. We think of disasters and crimes as the most egregious examples. The task is to retrace the causal chain and determine the most likely case.

A criminal trial is not exactly apt, because it tests only one hypothesis in the absence of all others: the objective at trial is to determine whether a certain person was the cause, not who of all people is the criminal.

We follow a typical exercise of assembling hypotheses, assigning a priori probabilities to them, and assembling evidence to test the likelihood of each hypothesis according to the evidence. In the end, we hope to have a confident determination of cause.

Conspiracy theories often invert the process, and by so doing fail due to subversion of support. Put simply, many conspiracy theories are explanations looking for a something to explain. Such is the case here. Whether real or imaginary, the story of UK government officials wanting to protect private interests is a salacious tidbit looking desperately for a place to be applied. But there just isn't enough controversy in the Luton fire to demand such an explanation. That's why Vixen is working so hard to stir one up. If something doesn't look right to her, it must be a sign that something needs that full-power explanation she's so cleverly concocted. And if you don't agree with her that something is as meatily controversial as she says it is, and for the reasons she says it is, well then you're just not as smart as she is and you have your head in the sand.

Conspiracy theories are about coming up with clever solutions, not about solving problems. It's about trying to show how clever the conspiracy theorist is, not trying to show what explanation is best supported by evidence.
:) :thumbsup:
 
This is an example of the explanatory inversion in conspiracy theories. In a typical explanatory exercise, some particular observation or occurrence requires an explanation. We think of disasters and crimes as the most egregious examples. The task is to retrace the causal chain and determine the most likely case.

A criminal trial is not exactly apt, because it tests only one hypothesis in the absence of all others: the objective at trial is to determine whether a certain person was the cause, not who of all people is the criminal.

We follow a typical exercise of assembling hypotheses, assigning a priori probabilities to them, and assembling evidence to test the likelihood of each hypothesis according to the evidence. In the end, we hope to have a confident determination of cause.

Conspiracy theories often invert the process, and by so doing fail due to subversion of support. Put simply, many conspiracy theories are explanations looking for a something to explain. Such is the case here. Whether real or imaginary, the story of UK government officials wanting to protect private interests is a salacious tidbit looking desperately for a place to be applied. But there just isn't enough controversy in the Luton fire to demand such an explanation. That's why Vixen is working so hard to stir one up. If something doesn't look right to her, it must be a sign that something needs that full-power explanation she's so cleverly concocted. And if you don't agree with her that something is as meatily controversial as she says it is, and for the reasons she says it is, well then you're just not as smart as she is and you have your head in the sand.

Conspiracy theories are about coming up with clever solutions, not about solving problems. It's about trying to show how clever the conspiracy theorist is, not trying to show what explanation is best supported by evidence.

It is hardly a 'conspiracy theory' when it is current affairs news, which you can simply look up and follow for yourself. Maybe your theory that the government cover up over EV car fire risks is a conspiracy theory is your conspiracy theory that there is a conspiracy theory.
 
While we're on the subject of providing news stories as evidence, you never did show us the news story that you used as evidence for this claim, which you said came from "an online local newspaper":


When asked to identify the newspaper or the journalist who reported it, you said that you were unable to do so because there were "thirty pages of archives", but that merely turned out to be the results of a poorly-targeted Google news search. Please can you support or withdraw the claim?

Didn't Compos find it?
 
Whos is 'Compos'?


I think that might be me lol

I did respond (HERE) to Vixens claim that it was very difficult to find named (on-scene) firefighters comments about the fire.

She had previously attributed this to firefighters being reluctant to speak openly about the event because they have to 'sign' the Official Secrets Act :=]

Compus
 
It is hardly a 'conspiracy theory' when it is current affairs news...

But it is when you're trying to explain things by proposing a conspiracy. Give it a rest. No one believes you're just having a pleasant discussion about current events.

Maybe your theory that the government cover up over EV car fire risks is a conspiracy theory is your conspiracy theory that there is a conspiracy theory.

Cute, but no. Since you obviously don't have a rebuttal for the point I actually raised, I won't ask again. "Subversion of support" is the fallacy that arises when—among other things—you insist on providing or receiving an explanation for something that wasn't observed or didn't happen. That's what's going on here. No "current events" or other matters of interest.
 
Yes, it makes my blood boil when politicians in trusted positions take the opportunity to enrich themselves ...

Great. Fine. Maybe stick to being angry at the venal stuff they've actually done instead of the madey-uppey stuff that cranks invented purely to avoid facing the fact they were wrong to insist Luton was an EV fire.
 
It is hardly a 'conspiracy theory' when it is current affairs news, which you can simply look up and follow for yourself.

Luton being a covered-up EV fire is certainly not current affairs news. It's a crank conspiracy theory.
 
Didn't Compos find it?


No, your memory is playing tricks on you again. What "Compos" found was a report of an unnamed firefighter saying that loud bangs heard during the subsequent fire "would have been fuel tanks, tyres, and EV tanks." You were claiming that a firefighter from Harpenden said that the fire in the initial vehicle "looked like a lithium-ion fire".

Try again.
 
No, your memory is playing tricks on you again. What "Compos" found was a report of an unnamed firefighter saying that loud bangs heard during the subsequent fire "would have been fuel tanks, tyres, and EV tanks." You were claiming that a firefighter from Harpenden said that the fire in the initial vehicle "looked like a lithium-ion fire".

Try again.

Not to mention this was Vixen's claim:
It is obvious what I meant. And the proof is in the pudding. There were at least 100 firefighters actively present putting out the Luton Airport Fire and I could find only one firefighter giving an anonymous opinion to the press about it.

CompusMentus found a report which didn't mention Harpenden, but had quotes attributed to three different firefighters, two of them, at least, at the scene, who were unnamed, one by choice.
 
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