Split Thread Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla

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Bogative said:
Unless there is any perceived imperfection with any product made by an Elon Musk company, then it's totally his fault.

Body lines don't line up on your Tesla? Elon Musk is an idiot.
Body lines line up on your Tesla? It's the hard-working personnel under Elon Musk, not Elon Musk.
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As CEO of Tesla, Musk is ultimately responsible for build quality. If the shut-lines on your Tesla are too wide or uneven, it is ultimately Musk's responsibility, at several levels removed. He wasn't the one who screwed the car together, or the quality control inspector or in overall charge of quality, but he did employ those people and he did impart whatever quality ethos there is to the company.

Launchpad get obliterated during Starship launch? Elon Musk is an idiot.
Launchpad works during the next 2 Starship launches? That's despite Elon Musk's involvement.
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I think this one is absolutely true. Some engineers at Tesla designed a system to stop Starship from destroying its own launchpad and the parts had been shipped to Texas ready to install. That installation would have delayed the launch of the first Starship by a few months, but it would probably have been more successful.
Falcon 9 booster tips over and is destroyed during inclement weather? Elon Musk is an idiot.
The 250 successful Falcon 9 booster recoveries(the ones that people used to say were impossible and that Musk was an idiot for trying)? Gwynne Shotwell.
Musk is an idiot.
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I don't think anybody is blaming Elon Musk for unfortunate weather.
 
Lplus said:
Musk is a rich CEO. Rich CEOs are always a target of hatred for people of certain political persuasions. The richer, the greater the hatred.
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Musk attacks anyone he doesn't like for any reason. He's had to cancel the mass market Tesla because he's made Tesla waste time and money on a failed vanity project.

If he didn't act like he was the super genius he isn't and spread so much hate he would get respect.

It's a real shame because Tesla has good automobile products out there as well as the Powerwall and the large scale batteries in Australia.
 
a_unique_person said:
Musk attacks anyone he doesn't like for any reason. He's had to cancel the mass market Tesla because he's made Tesla waste time and money on a failed vanity project.

If he didn't act like he was the super genius he isn't and spread so much hate he would get respect (from some)
It's a real shame because Tesla has good automobile products out there as well as the Powerwall and the large scale batteries in Australia.
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A minor addition to your post because for all that you are correct, there are those who would never give him respect, simply for what he represents.
 
There sometimes comes a point where further discussion of a particular issue is pointless.

I think it’s obvious we’ve reached that point here. Or at least I have.

edited to add: above posted after reading jeremyp’s earlier “in spite of” post.
 
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Not quite. Tell us about the new pickup truck model in the details we want to know. The stage show was all styling and promises of making billions of them in a new facility, very quickly.
And it's not as ugly as the cybertruck.

What are the vehicle specs? What's the expected range? If it's so much cheaper we know his engineers cut all the corners in design . Elon wasn't too forward with those important details.
 
8enotto said:
Not quite. Tell us about the new pickup truck model in the details we want to know. The stage show was all styling and promises of making billions of them in a new facility, very quickly.
And it's not as ugly as the cybertruck.

What are the vehicle specs? What's the expected range? If it's so much cheaper we know his engineers cut all the corners in design . Elon wasn't too forward with those important details.
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Hey! Don't forget the unbreakable window that broke, that was hilarious!
 
Lplus said:
Musk is a rich CEO. Rich CEOs are always a target of hatred for people of certain political persuasions. The richer, the greater the hatred.
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As it should be.
If you don't hate the fact that some people are insanely rich and don't do **** to help others, it's the job of everyone in a civil society to give them hell until they do.
Musk runs one of the biggest charity in the US by assets (on his own), and uses it only for his personal benefit.
If you don't hate that, you have lost your humanity.
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
This thread is about Tesla, but let's not ignore all the other car companies that are working on FSD.

28 Self-Driving Car Companies You Should Know

But of course nobody's excoriating them for advancing driving technology to the next level, because...
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Because they seem to be taking taking a more cautious and methodical approach to developing self driving automobiles.
 
novaphile said:
Hey! Don't forget the unbreakable window that broke, that was hilarious!
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That was the cybertruck. This one will cost 8 grand and destroy the gas pickup truck market. Except the factory doesn't exist yet where it will be made. And nobody seems to know all the details we look for in EV choices.
Isn't it taking resources away from the semi production going online, or possibly getting them up to useful specs?
It's been years and that is still difficult.
 
theprestige said:
Some people need a lot of attention, positive or negative.

But people have the option of being indifferent to Elon Musk. Being passionate about him is a them thing, not a Musk thing.
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I feel like musk makes it very difficult to be dispassionate about him. I’m not saying it is impossible, just weird that people would come to his defense about something his is so intentionally causing.

White knighting for people to stop paying attention to the attention whore is weird position.

I remember when Richard Branson was the standard for attention whore business leader. Musk has really pushed the boundaries and yet you want people to treat him like he is just a normal businessman carrying his sink into work.
 
Lplus said:
Musk is a rich CEO. Rich CEOs are always a target of hatred for people of certain political persuasions. The richer, the greater the hatred.
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It’s not about being a rich CEO. There are hundreds if not thousands of rich CEOs in the US and I bet musk has been in the news more than any 100 or even 500 of them combined.

That is what he does, that is what he needs, that is who he is. He does not care about pollution, space travel, mass transportation, battery solutions, freeze peach, or flame throwers. He craves the love and attention of those who adore him and the hate and attention of those who disdain him. It is the attention he is churning to feed his ego.

He is just lucky enough to live in an economy that actually makes it quite easy to get rich off attention.
 
Dr. Keith said:
It’s not about being a rich CEO. There are hundreds if not thousands of rich CEOs in the US and I bet musk has been in the news more than any 100 or even 500 of them combined.

That is what he does, that is what he needs, that is who he is. He does not care about pollution, space travel, mass transportation, battery solutions, freeze peach, or flame throwers. He craves the love and attention of those who adore him and the hate and attention of those who disdain him. It is the attention he is churning to feed his ego.

He is just lucky enough to live in an economy that actually makes it quite easy to get rich off attention.
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And yet that isn't why he's rich.
 
Lplus said:
And yet that isn't why he's rich.
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See above re stock price fluctuations based on his tweets. The entire value of Tesla is a reflection of his fame.

It may not be how he got rich*, but it is a pretty big part of why he’s currently very rich.

*Being born rich is such an underrated skill. It makes getting richer so much easier.
 
Dr. Keith said:
See above re stock price fluctuations based on his tweets. The entire value of Tesla is a reflection of his fame.
It may not be how he got rich*, but it is a pretty big part of why he’s currently very rich.

*Being born rich is such an underrated skill. It makes getting richer so much easier.
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Really? ok, if you say so :/
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Everything?

Arguably the best selling car in the world is the Tesla Model Y*. No small feat.

SpaceX managed to make rocket boosters reusable. No small feat.

People all over the globe now have reliable internet via Starlink. No small feat.

Unless one sees the world through a lens of Musk hate, it’s hard to say Musk makes a mess of everything.


*One can argue about whether the Model Y is actually the best selling car in the world. But if it’s even in contention is still no small feat.
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Not a single one of those things needed Musk.

On the model Y being the "best selling" car, lots of government contracts will do that. On the reusable rockets, they're no more reusable than the space shuttle forty years ago (and space x rockets still cannot get beyond low earth orbit, something NASA did in the '60s). People all over the globe had reliable and fast broadband before starlink and didn't need satellites that have to be replaced every few months neither.

If Musk wasn't able to access so much government money, none of his companies would exist.
 
Yes, none of those need Musk, but Elon won't let them succeed if not through him - as has been remarked before: He wants to save the world, but only if he gets the credit for it.
 
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