Cont: General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back

[Samson]

There is no "Sharia law" in the UK.

No, but informal courts exist.
I won't suggest you must prove a negative, but I will take the word of female apostates as gospel.

 

[Darat]

No, but informal courts exist.

Arbitration is part of our common law history - as it is in NZ, you can keep your hands of my rights to decide on arbitration.

I won't suggest you must prove a negative, but I will take the word of female apostates as gospel.

What on earth does that mean?

 

[Carrot Flower King]

When will we have the criticism of the likes of the CoE or the RC or other Christian sects using their own peculiar rules, canon law and the like as an excuse for not reporting known sexual and physical abusers to the police and children's services (this is so well documented over decades)?

Or is that different?

And if FGM is viewed as a bad thing, why not MGM (circumcision)?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

A group of rich people organizing a long running campaign of lies that leads to the UK tanking it's economy?

"But shaira courts!"

The same group of people severely mishandling the Covid Pandemic and funneling away funds designed to aid sick people, leading to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths?

"But Shaira courts!"

The removal of environmental controls leading to most UK rivers becoming open sewers again?

"But Shaira courts!"

The government dealing with the energy crisis by ensuring power companies gain record profits at the expense of the taxpayer, while at the same time allowing those taxpayers to become near destitute?

"But Shaira courts!"

The government systematically stripping the NHS making healthcare harder and harder to get?

"But Shaira courts!"

etc etc. The problems of the UK are not mainly caused by immigrants.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

As with most of your claims - simply untrue.

In E&W it became a specific offence in 1985 (it was before that date illegal but not as a specific offence), then a revision in 2003 to make it an extraterritorial offence. Then further revisions happened throughout the early part of the century. It is punishable with up to fourteen years' imprisonment. You can even be charged with failing to protect a child by up to 7 years imprisonment. It's now mandatory for all social workers, teachers, health workers etc. to inform the police if they have suspicions that FGM has happened and/or may happen. There are even specific protection orders that can be taken out if it is believed a child might be in danger of FGM, along with provisions such as lifelong anonymity for a victim i.e. can't be named.

And Samson - FGM is not Islamic. It is prevalent in some Islamic countries but nowhere near all, it is also prevalent in some Christian countries but nowhere near all.

ETA: Prosecution: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47094707

Wait, don't stop him, I'm waiting for him to get to "...and Birmingham banned Christmas!!1!"

 

[jimbob]

There is no "Sharia law" in the UK.

But it does give @DanKaszeta on twitter an opportunity to have very pleasant meals involving pig products and alcohol in the various alleged Sharia no go zones in London.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Samson, when are you going to finally grasp the point. Your sources are lying to you.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

But it does give @DanKaszeta on twitter an opportunity to have very pleasant meals involving pig products and alcohol in the various alleged Sharia no go zones in London.

I've been waiting for the "no go zones" to be brought up.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Arbitration is part of our common law history - as it is in NZ, you can keep your hands of my rights to decide on arbitration.



What on earth does that mean?

I think Edmund Blackadder had a term for it, while wearing underpants on his head and stuffing pencils into his nostrils...

 

[catsmate]

BTW in the latest skirmish of the woke culture war the righ-wing bigots have made idiots of themselves, again.
While the Usual Suspects, e.g. the Fail and Bill Cash (he of the dodgy expenses) hve fulminated about 'wokery' at the National Trust over the latter's dairy-free scones, complete with claims of awful taste, excessive crumbling and accusations and accusations that:

There’s far too much wokery going on at the National Trust; this is just the latest example.

The UK’s largest charity responded by pointed out hat the scones, served in it's network of more than three hundred tea-rooms, have been milk- and butter-free for four years.

 

[catsmate]

No, but informal courts exist.
I won't suggest you must prove a negative, but I will take the word of female apostates as gospel.

There are also Roman Catholic, Jewish and Anglican courts. The latter enshrined in law.

 

[catsmate]

When will we have the criticism of the likes of the CoE or the RC or other Christian sects using their own peculiar rules, canon law and the like as an excuse for not reporting known sexual and physical abusers to the police and children's services (this is so well documented over decades)?

Or is that different?

And if FGM is viewed as a bad thing, why not MGM (circumcision)?

It's an abomination.

 

[catsmate]

I've been waiting for the "no go zones" to be brought up.

Is here a map? I'll be in London for a few days soon.

 

[Lothian]

There are also Roman Catholic, Jewish and Anglican courts. The latter enshrined in law.

Are they largely brown skinned?

 

[zooterkin]

Is here a map? I'll be in London for a few days soon.

I'll be visiting too, it would be helpful to know which areas I should avoid.

 

[Lothian]

Is here a map? I'll be in London for a few days soon.

I'll be visiting too, it would be helpful to know which areas I should avoid.

Happy to help

 

[jimbob]

Is here a map? I'll be in London for a few days soon.

I'll be visiting too, it would be helpful to know which areas I should avoid.

https://x.com/DanKaszeta/status/1222881578050822147?s=20

Dan "the Legal Juggernaut" Kaszeta
@DanKaszeta
·
Jan 30, 2020
Many of you know that I am a curator and aficionado of odd conspiracy theories. There's a few that are extra special. Two of my favourites involve fire hydrants.

Followed by

Dan "the Legal Juggernaut" Kaszeta
@DanKaszeta
The other theory is that "Islamic/Sharia no go zones" in London are marked with little yellow signs. Various commentators then latched onto these yellow signs in London.

The Metro picked up his thread, and because the headline was a bit sarcastic, some of the conspiracy theorists tweet the article back at him.



https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/fear...e-venturing-london-sharia-no-go-zone-7288616/

Fearless security expert risks his life by venturing into London sharia ‘no-go zone’

 

[jimbob]

Happy to help

Fair enough

 

[Darat]

Oh what a surprise, she isn't going to be a martyr: The force said complaints had been received but no action would be taken.

 

[Mojo]

Is here a map? I'll be in London for a few days soon.

I'll be visiting too, it would be helpful to know which areas I should avoid.

Baylor posted a helpful map a few years back, so I planned a pub crawl round it:

In furtherance of his/ her white supremacist and Islamaphobic agenda, in another thread Baylor is stating as fact that there are no-go zones all over Britain. Finally, s/he has named some of those in London:

If members could use this thread to post videos or photos of these areas, or just a description of what it is like to wander around, maybe Baylor will stop spreading baseless propaganda. The "acid attack" thing is a red herring. Baylor's claim throughout has been that these are zones controlled by Muslims which the police don't enter, or where they have ceded control.

OK, I’ve just checked the 2019 Good Beer Guide.

Bethnal Green
Camel, 278 Globe Rd E2 0JD

Hackney
Cock Tavern, 315 Mare St E8 1EL
Pembury Tavern, 90 Amherst Rd E8 1JH

Plaistow
Black Lion 59-61 Church St E13 0AD

Islington
Wenlock Arms, 26 Wenlock Rd N1 7TA (Actually designated as Hoxton, but it’s where the bottle is in the map)
Angel, 3-5 Islington High St N1 9LQ

Stoke Newington
Jolly Butchers*, 204 Stoke Newington High St N16 7HU

Camden Town
Constitution, 42 St Pancras Way NW1 0QT
Prince Albert, 163 Royal College St NW1 0SG
Tapping the Admiral, 77 Castle Rd NW1 8SU

Kentish Town
Grafton, 20 Prince of Wales Rd NW5 3LG
Lion & Unicorn, 42 Gaisford St NW5 2ED
Pineapple, 51 Leverton St NW5 2NX
Southampton Arms, 139 Highgate Rd NW5 1LE

Elephant & Castle
Elephant & Castle, 119 Newington Causeway SE1 6BN

Anyone fancy a pub crawl?

No pubs listed for Canning Town, Stratford or Shadwell, but there are bound to be decent pubs nearby, for example if we get off a train at Shadwell we can stroll down to the Prospect of Whitby. The Husk Bewing Taproom is near Canning Town but is only open Fridays & Saturdays (ETA: the Durham Arms is described on the What Pub website as “a bit hard to find but well worth looking for” but the site also says that it has no real ale). Loads of pubs in Stratford.

*Not halal, judging by the menu.

ETA: Updating the list with the 2024 edition:

Most of the pubs are still listed, apart from the Angel at Islington, the Jolly Butchers at Stoke Newington, the Constitution and Prince Albert at Camden, the Grafton at Kentish Town, and the Elephant & Castle, but they have added:

Bethnal Green
King's Arms, 11A Buckfast Street, E2 6EY

Hackney
Five Points Brewery Taproom, 61 Mare Street E8 4RG
Hackney Tap, 354 Mare Street E8 1HR
Old Ship Inn, 2 Sylvester Path, E8 1EN

Islington
Earl of Essex, 25 Danbury Street N1 8LE

Stoke Newington
Rochester Castle, 143-145 Stoke Newington High Street N16 0NY

Camden Town
Camden Road Arms, 102-106 Camden Road NW1 9EA
Golden Lion, 88 Royal College Street NW1 0TH

Stratford
Olde Black Bull, 13 Broadway E15 4BQ

Shadwell
Sir Sydney Smith, 22 Dock Street E1 8JP