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Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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No you don't, and you whine endlessly when we challenge you.

I asked multiple times in these threads for evidence a diesel can be converted to a hybrid and you repeatedly sent links that said nothing of the sort as if that would answer me.

Here you go. At circa 2:47 this firefighter guy explains this bus was converted from diesel to electric.



https://youtu.be/I1Ez54n27Gw?si=QWtV2BiC_y-ITtxq

...and speaking of electric bus fires, in which various people expressed scepticism that the issue was the lithium battery but was instead, the HVAC system, the guy, above, discusses this at about 5:47, and confirms that 1,800 electric BYD buses were indeed withdrawn, which you also disputed, claiming you would have known about the tfl ones.
 
More often not.

Heh:

Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.


Doesn't apply to me. I always score maximum or near maximum on tests of logic.
 
I'm not sure what you think was "disingenuous" about my post; I acknowledged my new car will be bigger and heavier than my current car. And as it happens I'm not happy about that, I'd rather drive a smaller car - my daughter's EV is smaller and lighter than my current ICE car.

Taxing cars by weight as suggested by roboramma instead of (or perhaps in addition to) emissions might be a step towards a solution.

That might surely cancel out any advantages to be gained on annual road tax calculated by CO2 emissions. So instead you have to pay road tax on any excess car weight even though your emissions are now zero.
 
And sometimes a thing is not a fact, like the claim that diesel oil needs high pressure to ignite, or that the U.S. doesn't have heavy snow that accumulates all winter, or that you can predict average snowfall based on latitude, or that operating lights preclude any sort of electrical fault in a car, or that a Li-ion car battery fire is so severe that it can consume an entire parking garage by itself, or that a firefighter has stated that the fire looked like it was caused by an EV, or that employees of garages and dealerships are qualified experts on automobile fires... For a comprehensive list of not facts presented by Vixen, see the previous 102 pages of this thread.

Sorry, the CT forum is exactly where this thread belongs.

There is no law in the USA that requires winter tyres and in fact looking at a map here, the 'winter tyre belt' is mostly in Canada. So yes, latitude is a key variable. Yes, the east coast especially around NY gets horrendous snow falls but you don't have to bother with needing to change your tyres. Others pointed out sparsely populated mountainous regions with ski resorts - and with few roads - and some even referred to France and Australia, when we were specifically talking about the UK and the USA.

Secondly, if your car has lights on 'automatic' they will switch off when you switch off the engine or the start button. If the electrics have caught fire, then one would expect all lights to fuse as automatically so lights wouldn't normally still be showing if the driver has switched off the engine or start button. Unless of course the lights were on manually but even then, the electric fire is likely to short circuit.

Thirdly, an EV can burn to temperatures up to 2,000ºC, concrete spalls at temperatures over 500ºC. Diesel and tyres do not tend to ignite until the temperature is >500ºC. Fact: the concrete at Luton Airport car park didn't just spall, the rebars deformed and the concrete seems to have melted, or at least fallen through because of lack of support. This did not happen at the Liverpool ECHO car park fire.


Fourthly, yes a firefighter will be trained to know of the different types of fire. For example, at the recent fire at Moscow's Crocus Concert Hall, it was noted that the 'grenades' thrown by the gunmen 'looked like government issue phosphorous' one due to the white light flares. And as demonstrated by chemistry teachers all over the world.


It is weird how addicted people are to not knowing or wanting to wait until the authorities tell them what they should surely be able to discern for themselves.
 
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Not on the ones you have faced on this forum.

What 'tests' faced by the ones on this forum? As people know, I have been very harshly treated, far worse than anybody else, and this is largely due to my having a different opinion in a murder case on a different thread. A poster here even reposted stuff from that thread in an attempt to discredit because some people really resented I had a different opinion from themself as to the murderer. But what person of noble worth is going to change an opinion simply because of bullying? Not I.
 
You have a bee in your bonnet about conspiracy theorists. I get that. But don't let it invade your life to see everything as a conspiracy theory. Sometimes a thing is a fact.
Here is such a thing:

There is no law in the USA that requires winter tyres
Oregon law requires drivers to use or carry traction tires or chains when driving in winter conditions on any highway in the state.
 
Here is such a thing:


Oregon law requires drivers to use or carry traction tires or chains when driving in winter conditions on any highway in the state.

OK. This webpage is wrong, then?

United States
Throughout the United States there are no regulations that legally require you to have winter tires. However, it’s recommended that people driving within the Snow Belt, an area subject to low temperatures and heavy snowfalls, should consider changing to winter tires.
https://jackandjillofalltires.com/i...tates there,consider changing to winter tires.
 
OK. This webpage is wrong, then?


Logic test: does the premise "Oregon law requires drivers to use or carry traction tires or chains when driving in winter conditions on any highway in the state" prove the proposition "throughout the United States there are no regulations that legally require you to have winter tires" to be false? Why or why not?
 
Further to the Gatwick Airport car park fire some weeks ago, which destroyed at least eleven vehicles. If you recall the cause was given as 'accidental ignition' with no further details given and we have heard nothing since. The Gatwick north terminal car park is merely an open field one-level car park.

See here at 9:12, this guy has had it confirmed the fire was indeed caused by a Tesla EV and at 9:44 he claims he's been informed by a 'fire marshall' that 'word has come from above' to 'embargo' any news of electric car fires, see 9:44, and that this embargo has extended to New York with a reference to the New York Post, 10:44.



https://youtu.be/O5jrI2zdZ0s?si=ZNbSGvtWziDvIKIC

The question is, 'Why?'
 
Logic test: does the premise "Oregon law requires drivers to use or carry traction tires or chains when driving in winter conditions on any highway in the state" prove the proposition "throughout the United States there are no regulations that legally require you to have winter tires" to be false? Why or why not?

From what I could see, this only relates to where a road is otherwise closed and a lighted sign informs drivers what they must do if that lighted sign is on (i.e., chain up the wheels or change to friction tyres because of snow hazard). It's hardly all season.
 
For heaven's sake, say it out loud. EV's are heavier because of the battery.

Stop hiding behind, 'whatabout...' -isms.

Ooh! How very dare I mention other reasons cars have got heavier!

I'm not "hiding behind" all the other factors which have meant that, like-for-like, cars have pretty much doubled in weight since the '60s. It's simply true. Much of it has been due to making them safer. Making them electric is just one more factor and I'm not pretending it isn't, even if you want to pretend it's the only thing that matters.
 
The big elephant in the room is why did the Luton Airport Car Park collapse? The Liverpool ECHO one didn't...

Have you any idea of the type of construction used in the two buildings and what effect differences might have on their behaviour in a fire?

Rhetorical question.
 
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