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The Don said:
Mrs Don and I got our polling cards through for the local elections. We now have to bring ID to vote.

The Tories will successfully disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people who are less likely to vote for them in order to fix a non-existent problem (large scale voter fraud) :mad:
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Hence over 60's travel cards being legit ID, while student travel cards are disallowed. It's disgraceful
 
MarkCorrigan said:
I know it got cut along with the trans stuff but I'd like to ask Samson again because it is on topic, what is your evidence Humza Yousaf is an islamist and not simply a Muslim?
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I don't differentiate.
Nuriyah Khan delivers a withering account of the religion as an English citizen. It is a cult, because women can't leave without fearing for their lives. Humza Yousaf has nothing to fear as a man. He is in my definition an Islamist until he publicly renounces the Taliban, the Iranian regime, and the immigrants in London who are desecrating Western structures. And until he abandons the cult of Islam.

Nuriyah Khan, powerful, fearless, I listened before, I listened today to this fresh takedown of this terrible religion.

https://youtu.be/SpkGnalLaEg?si=XMdnxxQHMTRaX7Pv

In summary, a Muslim with high political power is by edict of his religion, an Islamist.
 
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Wudang said:
tl;dr version "They all look the same to me."
This is a skeptics forum. We bloody well live for "differentiation".
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Did you note Nuriyah Khan who has skin in the game?
She is your target, not me.
Explain to her why your hero Humza is different.
 
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Lothian said:
What is her forum name?
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She would dismantle those here who are the font of all inclusivity and progressive thought.
Watch the clip!
It is UK politics.
She explains how Sharia law is good for Manchester and Bedford, but not for Muslim women.
 
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Samson said:
He is in my definition an Islamist until he publicly renounces the Taliban, the Iranian regime, and the immigrants in London who are desecrating Western structures. And until he abandons the cult of Islam.
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Well, there's a nice knock-down argument for you.
 
Most Muslims, like most Christians, cherry pick and emphasise the nice bits of their religion because most people, whatever their religious beliefs, are fundamentally decent. You can't judge the followers of any religion by its most extreme and vocal adherents, that would be like judging all atheists by Leumas.
 
Pixel42 said:
Most Muslims, like most Christians, cherry pick and emphasise the nice bits of their religion because most people, whatever their religious beliefs, are fundamentally decent. You can't judge the followers of any religion by its most extreme and vocal adherents, that would be like judging all atheists by Leumas.
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Or all Christians by the Lord's Resistance Army.
 
Pixel42 said:
Most Muslims, like most Christians, cherry pick and emphasise the nice bits of their religion because most people, whatever their religious beliefs, are fundamentally decent. You can't judge the followers of any religion by its most extreme and vocal adherents, that would be like judging all atheists by Leumas.
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The thesis that Nuriyah Khan, Ayan Hirsi Ali,
Yasmine Mohammed, Sarah Haider, and a host of other women, then reinforced by men like Sam Harris, is that Islam is a catastrophically irredeemable religion compared to all others.
The politics of Humza Yousaf are polluted by all this. Who would trust him to write hate crime laws that will catch apostates?
Not my problem yet, but coming to a western culture who forgot what they fought wars to enjoy near you.
 
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Listening to this, almost a foreign language, but more on Yousaf's disgraceful essay into jurisprudence.

https://youtu.be/KZLuLxR90lI?si=d4zQpWKknJ1Uw8gZ

Listening more, Thomas Ross KC at minute 36 plus explains he is terrified to state views, while also being more outspoken than his colleagues.
This is shocking, or should be so.
 
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Samson said:
The thesis that Nuriyah Khan, Ayan Hirsi Ali,
Yasmine Mohammed, Sarah Haider, and a host of other women, then reinforced by men like Sam Harris, is that Islam is a catastrophically irredeemable religion compared to all others.
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Doesn't seem significantly worse than any other religion to me but even if that's true, it doesn't alter the fact that decent people of any religion simply ignore the bits they don't like.

The politics of Humza Yousaf are polluted by all this. Who would trust him to write hate crime laws that will catch apostates?
Not my problem yet, but coming to a western culture who forgot what they fought wars to enjoy near you.
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I don't know much about him but from what I do know he seems to be a decent man. I just looked him up on wiki, this quote

Amid controversy over Kate Forbes' religious views, Yousaf, a practising Muslim, said that he does not "legislate on the basis of [his] faith".[64]
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is encouraging.

Everybody has beliefs of some kind, it's simply not possible to exclude people of faith from government positions even if we wanted to (and I see no good reason why we should). As long as they don't try to impose those beliefs on people who don't share them - and I see no evidence Yousaf is planning to do so - then I don't see the problem.
 
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Pixel42 said:
Doesn't seem significantly worse than any other religion to me but even if that's true, it doesn't alter the fact that decent people of any religion simply ignore the bits they don't like.



I don't know much about him but from what I do know he seems to be a decent man. I just looked him up on wiki, this quote



is encouraging.

Everybody has beliefs of some kind, it's simply not possible to exclude people of faith from government positions even if we wanted to (and I see no good reason why we should). As long as they don't try to impose those beliefs on people who don't share them - and I see no evidence Yousaf is planning to do so - then I don't see the problem.
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He designed and is implementing laws that are poised to catch JK Rowling. She has a non crime hate incident logged against her which would preclude her from many jobs were she to apply. Yousaf is encouraging all complaints to be investigating to establish a pattern. He belongs to a profoundly mysoginist religion, where it is impossible for primal indoctrination to be disentangle by men. Women are powerless, look at Iran and Afghanistan. He could not choose his parents or the crap religion they were indoctrinated to, but once being smart enough to understand the machinery of power he is smart enough to kick a crap religion to touch. Having failed to do that he fails as a civilized being.
I am staggered by a benevolent spin being ascribed.
 
Samson said:
He designed and is implementing laws that are poised to catch JK Rowling.
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So you say, others say otherwise. As I'm not qualified to express an opinion either way, I can only wait and see who proves to be correct. The law comes into effect tomorrow, so I shouldn't have to wait long.
 
Pixel42 said:
So you say, others say otherwise. As I'm not qualified to express an opinion either way, I can only wait and see who proves to be correct. The law comes into effect tomorrow, so I shouldn't have to wait long.
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Fair enough.
Probably more sizzle than sausage.
X is abuzz with doomsday concerns by luminaries like Helen Joyce and Andrew Doyle, both of whom I would feel privileged to share a foxhole.
 
Samson said:
He designed and is implementing laws that are poised to catch JK Rowling. She has a non crime hate incident logged against her which would preclude her from many jobs were she to apply. Yousaf is encouraging all complaints to be investigating to establish a pattern. He belongs to a profoundly mysoginist religion, where it is impossible for primal indoctrination to be disentangle by men. Women are powerless, look at Iran and Afghanistan. He could not choose his parents or the crap religion they were indoctrinated to, but once being smart enough to understand the machinery of power he is smart enough to kick a crap religion to touch. Having failed to do that he fails as a civilized being.
I am staggered by a benevolent spin being ascribed.
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This its the type of intolerant crap posted by nutters before they go and shoot up a mosque. By all means criticise religion and the extremists but don't ascribe extremist views onto people without reason. Not all Muslims believe the same thing just as not all Christians do. You are perpetuating the same bollocks some religious people do in saying to that the crimes of atheistic historical fascists and despots are what all atheists would do if allowed.
 
So you don't differentiate between Muslims and islamists?

Every Muslim is an islamist to you?

Are you taking the piss?
 
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